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Dr. Fauci backed the Wuhan Lab with millions...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, Apr 29, 2020.

  1. dachuda86

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    Well, he sure got his 2016 prediction right.
     
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    There should be an all encompassing coronavirus conspiracy thread
     
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    OMG....the stuff out there is INSANE!
     
  5. dachuda86

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    More like there should be a damn investigation into every damn thing he and his organization funded. This is not a conspiracy. This is just a simple fact. The damn dude is tied directly to one of a few labs researching bat corona viruses where a bat corona virus just happened to break out. The public deserves all the facts surrounding this dude, his organization, and the lab in Wuhan.
     
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    Hard to believe Trump allowed his lead expert to move forward with such dangerous gain-of-function research in 2019.
     
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    So your premise is what exactly.

    What exactly needs to be uncovered?

    Are you trying to suggest this virus was released from a lab?

    These Fauci character attacks are just flat out bizarre. Fauci is irrelevant, he just so happens to be a face of "those elitist scientists" who are out to get Trump. Fauci could be a puppy smashing pedophile and it changes nothing about the Virus, Trumps disastrous response, or how we move forward.
     
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    Not just him but the lab is tax payer funded and any risky research needs to have light shed on it.

    And I don't know why people are so eager to dismiss the Wuhan lab because it's one of a small number of places in the world researching specifically bat corona viruses. The odds of it breaking out there naturally in a seafood market that doesn't serve bat is less likely.
     
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    Write your congressman/woman about this an request an investigation into this lab and everything the U.S. tax payer funded. Fauci's institute is funded by the tax payer. If we are paying for bat corona virus labs, where the bat corona virus broke out, we should know what was going on in order to assure the public there wasn't a connection or to confirm if there was one. Most documents related to it is therefore public record and should be released since the research was gov't funded.

    house.gov/htbin/findrep
     
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    "Many scientists have criticized gain of function research, which involves manipulating viruses in the lab to explore their potential for infecting humans, because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from accidental release." - https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-b...us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741
     
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    If there were risk research like that to be done, it would've been in one of the highest certified labs in the world, one that the US has helped fund and build

    But yeah... the part about Chinese institutions lying and/or cutting corners is really hurting everyone right now.

    If you assume nobody follows scientific safety protocols, then you can't trust anyone to get repeatable or reliable results.

    In the case w/ China, once bitten twice shy.

    As for Fauci and his "decision", assume it did come out of a wet market (who really knows at this point...). If he didn't fund the research, one could easily play it as him not doing enough to combat flu-like pandemics while he was the chief expert in charge.

    Confirmation bias is a whiny b****.
     
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    So Fauci was brilliant enough to know that bat's transmitting a corona type virus could be an issue that he funded research on it....... and then several years later we have a bat spread corona viral pandemic? Sounds like he knows what he is doing better than anyone else..... considering he actually knew it was a serious risk for a viral pandemic.

    That is one way to look at this information....... and every bit as vaild as jumping to the conclusion that the virus "escaped" and it must have been from research funded by the USA.

    Confirmation bias is a huge part of conspiracy theories and political discord in general.
     
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    As @IBTL said, there should be a conspiracy thread.

    Fauci has been our government's expert since the 90's. It's puzzling that he said there is no benefit to wearing a mask early on and then change his tune in the last 2 or 3 weeks. I chalk that up to trying to get the public not to buy all the masks the medical folks needed. The conspiracy theory says.....:eek:
     
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    This is simply not true. The likelihood of the virus escaping a lab is far far more remote. It's also unlikely that the virus came from a seafood market.

    More likely is that it came from some villager living in the countryside, where 3% of the population has antibodies to coronaviruses carried by wild animals. The virus made the jump there, and that person went to the seafood market and that's where the virus spread.

    But trying to manufacture this anti-Facui narrative and tie it to a Chinese lab makes for the perfect conspiracy theory of Trumpsters.
     
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    But we all know he did warn W Bush, Obama and Trump administrations. So he's off the hook.
     
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    He supported the research but he didn't fund it...he's not the head of the NIH
     
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    I don't know how you're coming up with probabilities you're proposing but I disagree. The lab is 3 blocks from the wet market. Why is it unfathomable that there was a mishap? And how does it benefit Trump? It's not a Left vs Right thing, but you seem to make out to be or at least that's how I'm reading you.

    Regardless if it escaped from a lab or originated from the wet market or anywhere else, the Chinese government lied about the facts. Important fact that could've helped contain it from spreading. It's not a domestic political issue but more of a geopolitical issue.
     
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    Right.. I don't see any foul play in supporting or funding the research.
     
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    I read the article and Dr. Fauci as an infection disease expert certainly should have an interest in researching how viruses are transmitted from animals to people. From the article:
    "Dr. Fauci defended the work. "[D]etermining the molecular Achilles' heel of these viruses can allow scientists to identify novel antiviral drug targets that could be used to prevent infection in those at risk or to better treat those who become infected," wrote Fauci and two co-authors in the Washington Post on December 30, 2011. "Decades of experience tells us that disseminating information gained through biomedical research to legitimate scientists and health officials provides a critical foundation for generating appropriate countermeasures and, ultimately, protecting the public health."

    Gain of function is risky research and as the article notes there were critics and in 2014 the NIH had a 21 month moratorium on that type of research.

    Whether Fauci deserves to be criticized for this we would need to know what specific information was Fauci presented regarding funding this research. Fauci didn't manage the lab and if the lab misrepresented the standards it had that would be hardly Fauci's fault. One thing we have learned that the OP has reminded us on several occasions is that the PRC has made many misrepresentations. If that is the case then it's hard to blame Fauci without more information.

    Without knowing more it would be hard to fault Fauci for looking into risky research in his field that may yield very important information. Also Fauci isn't the President or a member of Congress. He can't unilaterally make large spending decisions especially to another country.
     
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    I agree that there should be an investigation into the Wuhan lab to determine conclusively if the virus did escape it. That is, unfortunately, probably China's secret to share or bury. If it did come from the lab, it would strike a blow for opponents of the sort of research they do. It is possible the US was wrong to help take the risk of doing it. Though, if we're talking about $7 million, I hazard to guess China could have picked up our tab and moved forward anyway without any responsibility for sharing the results of their research with us, if we didn't want to participate.

    One thing I don't like about how this thread or the article couches it, it personalizes the decision as though NIAID was Dr. Fauci's own personal fiefdom to do what he likes with. He's just a public servant. He has experts in his agency he confers with, he has bosses to convince, and a whole bureaucratic deliberative process to navigate. He doesn't hold singular authority or responsibility for these partnerships. The agency is the United States'. The actions of his agency are the actions of the US Government. There is no need to make this story about Dr. Fauci. We, the United States, funded the research that may or may not have escaped the lab to wreck havoc on the world.
     
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