That's a good post. I think people are more just having fun making a meme (in the D&D type threads). I mean... laughter is ultimately the best medicine, after all. I'll save further comments on the "disinfectant" for the other forum, but a big YES on vitamin D. And also, as was brought up in this thread before those politician comments, UVC.
If you get stuff delivered from the grocery store, our experience is that it's better to wait an extra day or so and get it delivered in the morning, rather than taking the first available. HEB stocks overnight, and starts to fill carts for delivery and curbside pickup very early in the morning. We ordered about $250 worth of stuff one day for an 8-9am delivery (and once I got an 6-8am delivery - checked after 10pm the night before, and there was an opening), thinking we'd be lucky if we got 2/3 of it. Got damn near everything we ordered. Toilet paper, paper towels, Heinz ketchup, Cokes and Dr Peppers. The good stuff. Just an FYI. The same would apply to curbside pickup. I haven't been inside a store or a restaurant in 6 weeks. Heck, I get dog food delivered from Amazon - veggies, wine, and beer delivered from Whole Foods or Central Market.
She's way up there. Real and spectacular! Natalie Wood! @rocketsjudoka - start a thread! Classic beauties from the past, or something like that. Spoiler
We are soon going to find out that just about everyone has already been infected and all of this mitigation is pointless.
Some b**** at the liquor store was hacking her lungs out while not covering her mouth. Luckily I could smell the cigarettes from the other side of specs. Anyways hope it was just smokers cough. Dumbass wasn’t even buying liquor. Was just there to get empty boxes .
"Some people diagnosed as asymptomatic when tested for the coronavirus, however, may go on to develop symptoms later, according to researchers." That's again because symptoms usually show up in 5 days and may not show up for as long as 12 days. But 96%! There is something to that. They need to study this carefully, follow through and confirm the finding. Of other studies: Diamond princess has 16% asymp. China estimate up to 30%. SK CDC found 2% only in a recent study of one call center outbreak. All over the map.
Lol I certainly have no problem with memes. I was going to write stuff that would have been borderline D&D because it was going to be nuanced, but nuance gets misinterpreted so easily when Trump's name even gets possibly suggested. I had checked D&D thru incognito mode since I'm banned there and man I'm glad I'm banned. There is still certainly no "debate" or "discussion" going on in there lol. I guess part of my frustration comes from that zero of the leading experts that are on TV everyday have ever brought it up and consistently hammered home the vitamin D deficiency issue and I have zero clue why. Maybe I've missed it. I've only come to learn about it from Dr. John Campbell and others on Youtube and I've tried to share it here. It's just another simple protective measure that will help. I bring it up to everyone I talk to when the conversation presents itself. Maybe because I'm focused on the vitamin D issue then that's why I thought the rambling comments by Trump and this "discovery" that UV light kills viruses (I use the quotes because we have known this forever) presented the perfect segue for one of the wonderfully lauded experts to mention what else UV light on skin does for the body and the immune system. I wish I had a bigger megaphone to tell them what to do! .
Doesn’t seem to be prevalent but another new thing. "Our report shows a seven-fold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks. Most of these patients have no past medical history and were at home with either mild symptoms (or in two cases, no symptoms) of Covid. All tested positive.”
If I get what you're saying you're using Trump's comments as a jumping off point to bring up something that is tangential to what he was discussing. I guess that's fine for a discussion but not exactly material to what he said. It would be like if someone said a treatment for blindness was to shove fruit in our eyes.Then I said "we shouldn't completely dismiss that as many fruits contain vitamin A which is good for eyesight so we should eat more fruit." That is a riff of the original comment but isn't what the original comment was about. I would categorize this as trying to make silk purse out of a sow's ear. Maybe this is better discussed in the D&D.
Doctors are starting to fear that a vaccine may never be found as there has never been one before for other coronaviruses. Also, the lack of build-up of immunity meaning it can likely re-occur is also setting this negative tone for a vaccine.
I think we should link to whatever ideas we're sharing when possible, because in this early stage, you can literally find any message (from gloomy to upbeat) about COVID-19 on the internet. Yes, some biologists are worried a vaccine might not be possible, but there are very promising signs. And true, we don't know if one builds up immunity, but in most cases we've encountered so far, you get at least some short-term immunity after having a viral infection. There is not enough data yet on this virus (and it simply hasn't been with us long enough) for us to know for sure. I think the following is pretty solid. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-immunity-to-covid-19-really-means/ "At this early stage of understanding the new coronavirus, it is unclear where COVID-19 falls on the immunity spectrum. Although most people with SARS-CoV-2 seem to produce antibodies, “we simply don’t know yet what it takes to be effectively protected from this infection,” says Dawn Bowdish, a professor of pathology and molecular medicine and Canada Research Chair in Aging and Immunity at McMaster University in Ontario. Researchers are scrambling to answer two questions: How long do SARS-CoV-2 antibodies stick around? And do they protect against reinfection? ... And although it appears that recovered COVID-19 patients have antibodies for at least two weeks, long-term data are still lacking. So many scientists are looking to other coronaviruses for answers. Immunity to seasonal coronaviruses (such as those that cause common colds), for example, starts declining a couple of weeks after infection. And within a year, some people are vulnerable to reinfection. That observation is disconcerting when experts say it is unlikely we will have a vaccine for COVID-19 within 18 months. But studies of SARS-CoV—the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, which shares a considerable amount of its genetic material with SARS-CoV-2—are more promising. Antibody testing shows SARS-CoV immunity peaks at around four months and offers protection for roughly two to three years. As Preeti Malani, chief health officer and a professor of medicine at the University of Michigan, said in a video interview with JAMA Editor in Chief Howard Bauchner, this period presents “a pretty good time line for thinking about vaccines and therapeutics” for COVID-19." That was written on April 10, and even though it's been a couple of weeks, I think that is still pretty relevant to current thinking among the relevant scientists. What seems to be emerging is that the viral dosage is very important. EDIT: Was talking to a very knowledgeable biologist last night, and he said this is the tough thing about an antibody test. It just measures "yes/no" when the reality is there is a spectrum and we don't know exactly what antibody level you need for immunity (if there is even immunity). So it may really be true that if you have a "bad" case, you'll have immunity for a long time, whereas if you have just a "light" case, you could be reinfected easily. We just don't know, unfortunately. The good thing is that we have scientific tools for this work that we didn't even have 15 years ago. I'm personally very hopeful.
Supply chains are stabilizing and people have pretty much stocked up on staples at this point. We've started basically getting everything on our orders for the last couple of weeks, including TP, paper towels, pasta, etc.
