Personally, I think conspiracy theorists should be shamed and banned into oblivion on any self respecting private entity's social media platform. Not a great measuring stick - the lowest of the low. I'm sorry if I sound fanatical. Let's call it my "religious freedom". We haven't come this far to just give it all away because certain posters idolize certain powerful figures to a point where they cease to think for themselves. I can appreciate their emotional attachments to an extent but I am not willing to stand by and condone or apologize them for it. If these posters be honest with us and themselves and proclaim Trump to be their idol/god, I would at least respect them for being honest with me and themselves. Otherwise, the two sides don't share the communication tools to come to a common ground and this division continues till people have to take up arms or succumb to fascism or whatever other totalitarian nomenclature you want to use.
And the other half on china. China should have been a better neighbor and told the world how contagious this stuff is. Trump shouldnt have called it a hoax at end of february and acted as such. Trump lied, people died. Both china and trump stupidity caused a large part of death.
What more did the world need to know when China itself placed an aggressive lockdown on Wuhan in January. Were you expecting Xi Jinping to send out red envelopes? That was enough heads up for any decent leader to start planning for the worst case scenario. China handled their biz and every other world leader should have done the same
You are a worm as well. You should move to China so at least you will get paid to post the kind of rotted-out garbage you have on your mind.
It is WHO's job to tell the world how the virus is. If it is up to China, China should have said this virus was more controllable than flu virus .. because China totally got it under control in one month. Their evaluation will not include Trump factor. It is all on Trump government after initial 15 imported cases.
Says the pathetic idiot spending his time defending the failures of Trump by blaming others or simply disregarding the truth. China does what is best for China. But even 3rd world countries arent having it this bad. But dont fret, Covid19 is an equal opportunity global killer and will be interesting to see how you feel when it comes to a place near you.
why are you lying? It was not under control in a month. Lol Lets just make up sh*it China is ******* for not being a good neighbor and not telling the world. I blame it a mixture of incompetence and pride. Usa is no more competent and place like s korea and germany are.
He already screwed us on preparation having disbanded the expert panel, not following their directives and ending all funding. He screwed us by lying to the American people and not buying the goods needed. He repeatedly understated the threat. He is now screwing us with his complete lack of leadership when we need it most. He changes his mind on what he wants to do and takes zero accountability. Rather than leading by example, he is playing the states against one another encouraging them to undercut each other for supplies and resources. He hasn’t unified the local and federal governments at all. People are confused because there is no unity in action or plan. He has screwed this up every step of the way and will continue to screw it up because he isn’t capable of being an effective leader.
You aren’t describing @jcf. I wouldn’t argue that there are some here that appear to fit that description, but in my opinion, he doesn’t. I’ll add that tossing everyone who says something you disagree with regarding trump into one large group of people, as if they all feel the same way about the fellow in the Oval Office, could be construed as acting the same way as those who truly are fanatical about him. Just fanatical from the other direction, if you get my drift. I don’t think that helps discussion here at all. There is already far too much “lumping together” of those from the Left and those from the Right. What happened to nuance? What about moderates? One could argue that moderates make up the largest single group in this country, politically. They’re just getting drowned out by all the “noise” coming from both directions, to their left and to their right. To win an election in November, Democrats need to attract the middle, the moderates of this country. The Republican Party controlling the White House and the Senate are doing an excellent job all by themselves of pushing moderates to vote for the Democratic ticket for president and the down ballot races. The last thing that needs to be done is convince those people in the middle that there is not room for moderates in the Democratic Party, and that simply isn’t true.
I was just pointing out that the poster in question certainly appeared to have an emotional attachment to Trump (maybe not the man himself but what president represents - a political/electoral choice made) considering that his evaluation of president's pandemic's handling so far seemed illogical (isn't that why you chose to disagree with it?). You could actually see that the poster in question was visibly oscillating about his "feelings" towards Trump. Neither the logic, nor the feelings were clarified in later postings (as far as I could understand/see) and so I felt it was appropriate to call out that fact. Look, I'm willing to accept that on emotional level I truly despise people of Trump's ilk - the reasons for that, I'm aware of and are not important here. Given that awareness, I'm able to give people supporting the other side an extra benefit of the doubt and also temper myself in my conversations on the topic. And so, in similar vain, it seems fair that people who find Trump's personality favorable to their own operating style/values, they acknowledge it. Or they acknowledge that their own economical well-being is of much greater importance than a general well-being of their neighbor or countrymen (I personally wouldn't blame them for it). Something... anything where we could understand where they are coming from giving admin a passing grade on tackling the current crisis. Maybe you all understood this implicitly or from posting history. If so, great. But if the poster is not aware of this type of self-bias, then this is in fact just people venting uselessly to each other without moving any closer to a consensus. I'm fanatical about that part (btw. I didn't call @jcf a "fanatic" - I can "idolize" Gandhi without being a fanatic about it). Anyway, don't mind me. Venting during Corona is good for us too, I'm sure. I'm doing it.
So So you’re basically the CCP propaganda we’ve all heard about, right? It’s amazing how not a single liberal on this board wants to call out your BS and just lets you keep posting. China got this under control in a month? God you’re disgusting to even suggest that China isn’t 100% lying about how badly the virus is still affecting your country. I loved Yao Ming as a player, but he brought too much trash over to this site.
Some liberals are a fifth column because they ideologically crave communism. They will need to be dealt with one day should war break out. We are in a cold war so arguably anyone sympathizing with the CCP needs to be watched at the very least. If we are going to go by historic standards of dealing with war time efforts.
It's called the Ignore List, amigo, and it's a wonderful feature. He's been on mine for well over a decade.
WHO depends on nations to self report. That needs to change in the future with China lying about or unwilling or incapable of accurate and timely reporting. The next WHO need direct access and not depend on any nation to self report.
The earlier the better. Accurate numbers as well. China failed, although I doubt intentionally, at detecting a new deadly pathogen early on themselves and at reporting the very instance it find something strange. I know people commonly use the term in the fog of war — they and everyone need to do better than being slow and confused. Imagine if they have play it safe and lock down a neighborhood immediately on the first sign of a new pathogen - that’s the small price to pay even on a regular basis to prevent something like this or worse in the future. You are right other countries knew enough to act given the time China bought them (roughly 1m). Countries physically much closer to China are doing well so far because they did act fast. Taiwan is so far doing remarkably well for being literally next door with a huge commerce between them. And indeed the Chinese gov did tell the world how deadly and contagious this new virus was - a specific R0 range, which show how contagious, was specifically called out in the internal 1/29 memo to the POTUS as information shared by the Chinese gov. The R0 number was compared to previous deadly pathogen such as being greater than the “Spanish” flu and on par with Bubonic Plague. The memo also said do not underestimate the risk of a deadly pandemic (worse case) given what the Chinese gov has shared. China should have done much better. The US should have done much much better. All the blame and deflection from failures are just exactly that.
