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A Divided GOP

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by T_Man, Apr 3, 2020.

  1. T_Man

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    GOP Voters Rebuke Donald Trump's Coronavirus Response In New Video
    https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/gop-voters-donald-trump-coronavirus-leadership-124400483.html


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  2. Rocket River

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    I won't believe it until he is out of the White House

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    According to all the polls, they are still gonna vote with their "economic anxiety."
     
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    This happened with Bush too. They silently voted for him, but will sure to remind you how they hated him... after he drove the car into a ditch with the ditch magically crashing into a canyon and the canyon imploding into its own self righteous and ineffectual dogma.

    4 months later...who Bush? You tax and spend libs complain way too much about a past I'm trying to forget... a tax rebate and stimulus check I spent a long long time ago and a tax loophole my accountant says to hide hide hide!

    later, rinse, repeat, blame shifted, asset class gains pocketed
     
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    Bush is actually a somewhat decent man though. This is how it’s gonna play out: Trump will have to rely on his “basket of deplorables” for lack of a better term; his base. Which is uneducated/evangelical. The republicans had a safety net with the wealthy educated; and, sure he’ll keep some CEOs and whatnot for business friendly policies and what have you. This is anecdotal but my uncle is a urologist who runs a clinic with his wife (gynecologist). Always a republican voter because the GOP’s platform is obviously wealth friendly, at least on the surface (discussion for another day). Anyway he said there’s no way Trump can be re-elected because he’s a complete lunatic.

    That’s why I’m not so concerned this time around. Trump will lose the lion’s share of educated voters that went for him in 2016. We’ve never had a president so anti-science, anti-reason, anti-Democrats; crude, unapologetic, immoral, etc. Trump’s bass loves it. Fine. Happy for them. They got four years of nonsense and it won’t be repeated. You’d be scarce to find many with a bachelor’s or advanced degree who have patience for childish antics. Suburban women HATE Donald Trump too because of his behavior, we’ve seen this with polling. He’s shrunk his base and he already lost the popular vote last time. There’s no chance for him.
     
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    Maybe lamestream media conditioned me not to trust polls. I don't want to think his performance November is based off of stock indexes that are more reliant on unlimited dollars and credit than mainstream performance
     
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    You know what they say about counting your chickens....
     
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    At this point, trump can only hope he can keep the vote close. It helps that the DNC is trotting out Biden but the cov-19 balancing act will be his potential undoing.
     
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    Despite everything you're saying he is going to win. Joe Biden is the best the Dems could come up with lol.
     
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    Unless it airs on Fox its impact will be limited.
     
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    Bush was actually a conservative and that makes a huge difference....

    There are a lot of conservative GOP who dont like Trump and want vote for him...

    We shall see come Novembe, but right now Trump has a lot of things against him in this upcoming election that he didn't have in the last election..

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    Even before this the election was going to be close. Trump has done next to nothing to actually expand his base. I don't think he's capable of running a majority popular vote campaign. It was and will still come down to the Electoral College.

    As for the GOP fracturing this has already been happening and since well before Trump. I often cite the 2008 concession speech by John McCain as a turning point. You have John McCain a true Goldwater Republican / Cold Warrior delivering a real country over party speech where he even praised his opponent and recognized the importance of a black man finally being elected President. Even after the election McCain didn't suddenly agree with Obama and opposed Obama strongly on the ACA, stimulus and foreign policy. It never though about Obama being a secret Muslim who was going to open the borders and surrender the US a horde of Central Americans funded by George Soros. It was a principle opposition and even though McCain famously had a temper his opposition wasn't vicious. What is notable about that 2008 speech was standing next to McCain was Sarah Palin and she symbolized the wave of the GOP that was coming. The TEA Party and it's angry message that rather than classically Conservative was Populist. The opposition to Obama from those who followed Palin and the TEA Party was much more personal and at times vicious. Focusing as much on his name and background, whether real or imagined, as it was on his policies. Trump as the master opportunists saw his opening and took by becoming the leading advocate of the Birther Movement. Then jumping on the xenophobia that was sweeping the party. His message wasn't Reagan's message of the Shining City on the hill but a dark place full of danger. Reagan in his farewell speech spoke of a US sailor welcoming a refugee, Trump said the country is full and we don't want anymore refugees.

    That is the split in the party that has taken moderates like Colin Powell and Bill Weld to traditional Conservatives like John Kasich and Mark Sanford and put them into what is now considered the Never Trumpers. While the TEA Party and Trump have been driving people like those out Trump has brought in new voters. His populist protectionist rhetoric has taken away many blue collar and rural voters who at one time were Democrats. His style appeals to many who have enjoy reality TV and can't tell the difference now between Reality TV and Reality. Whether this crisis erodes enough of his support I'm not sure. Trump has had a great economy which in most cases would be a guarantee for winning reelection. While the economy has tanked he's been handed a crisis from a foreign source not of his own creating that in most cases would also greatly help in winning reelection. With those advantages though he's only gotten above 50% approval recently and not to the 80's or 90's like other Presidents. My own feeling is that this won't change things. Even as the crisis drags his base will dig in harder. When the crisis is over many might credit the President even if he really hasn't done much or even hampered the response. Many might just accept that since the crisis passed on his watch he deserves the credit. It's too early to say how this will shake out and these days November might as well be next century.
     
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    Leading into and immediately after the 2016 election, there were a number of republicans and "conservatives" that said they didn't support trump and didn't vote for him. That showed up even here. Then... the steady stream of trump supporting posts. Now... again, you see a number of people saying they didn't vote fr him. And that they don't support him.

    But... again, they will vote for him. They will excuse their votes by saying many of the same things. That even though they wouldn't want their daughter to date him. They aren't voting for a pastor or pope. That they don't always like his tweeting, or things he says. They know he is wrong. That he is evil. They know he is corrupt. But they will vote for him anyway.

    They will blame Democrats. For nominating a Democrat.

    Or they will claim its because of Obama. That "elections have consequences." Or to "own the libs".

    Or they will blame people for constantly criticizing or complaining about trump (sorta like a child will want to date someone just because their parents object).

    But ultimately, they will vote for trump. Even if it means four more years of this. This.
     
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    they may not like trump, but they will march lock step with him when the time comes. its really more about voting against liberals and socialists then it is supporting trump. and i kind of get that since im basically doing the opposite. im no democrat, but im 100% against trumpublicans so i will be voting for dems any time they are up against a republican. i think thats how most americans vote these days...we vote AGAINST a candidate rather than FOR one.

    look no further than traderjorge/bigtexxx. without argument, the biggest partisan hack in the history of this website. he was initially against trump (didnt he start a thread called "when ted cruz makes his move watch out"), but now spends most of his time here sucking up to trump, defending him and getting upset when people are critical of him.
     
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    Republicans lie
    They say this
    but they will vote for him

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    No polling agrees with the premise of this thread.
     
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    YEP!!!!


    NOPE!!!!


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  20. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    If the GOP is divided, what would you say the democrats are? It’s like game of thrones. I’m cringing just thinking of Biden trying to debate Trump now. If the dems had any balls they’d have favored someone younger and might have had a chance this year, but I guess they figured ol Joe Biden is their best chance. The dude is too old. It seems like his winning strategy is to stay as much out of the public eye as possible and hope no one notices his extreme cognitive decline...and apparently that’s the best the DNC has to offer the American Public. Yikes. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t blown out in this election...but that’s me...I don’t know a lot.
     
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