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Cruise Ship Being Turned Away at All Ports

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by HTM, Apr 1, 2020.

  1. HTM

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    Let them off.

    If it is possible have everyone on board quarantined and taken to some facility. Have everyone from the ship tested as many times as needed and keep them quarantined. Those who are truly negative and American citizens should be allowed to make their way home if possible after the quarantine period.

    Negative foreign passengers should be accommodated by the cruise line at either a hotel that needs the revenue or back on the now docked ship once it is completely clear of the virus.

    Those who test positive need to get to the nearest hospital that isn't over crowded as soon as possible for adequate treatment.

    These are just ideas off of top of my head. I'm sure others may provide better solutions. But the right thing to do as Americans is help these people. We can't lose our humanity during this crisis.
     
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    US needs to just help them out. That is a humanitarian crisis and we should not be just another country that turns them away. This is ridiculous. I get that our healthcare system is already getting strained in certain regions of the country, but now is not the time to be petty about this ****. Help those people out. They aren't lifeless forms (I know 4 have died already) that should just be ferried around until someone lets them off.
     
  4. No Worries

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    Who in their right mind took that cruise?
     
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    Those that were listening to the government and certain media.
     
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    Exactly. Can't help but think that.

    "Well, who knows when's the next time we'll be able to do this...."
    Especially if you're dead.
     
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    Cmon.. Nobody said, take a cruise.

    It's easy to not feel empathy for them because, like someone just said: Who in their right takes a cruise? But you gotta help them out.

    But seriously... Don't these cruises usually last about 14 days max? 14 days ago the whole world knew this was serious ****. Why the hell would you go on a cruise??!!! The companies who own the cruise lines should be held accountable.
     
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    You can shame them all you want but let them dock and quarantine. Then while they are quarantined and getting medical attention for any sick patients you let them know how stupid they are. Fair exchange.
     
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    This is where the President or Joint chiefs needs to order the military to get involved. Military already has PPE and knows how to deal with contamination and quarantine situations. You could easily find a Navy base to dock, send the passengers through a quarantine area, and house them in a "quarantine" dorm until they can be released. Medical facilities on the base or in the local area can be used and this can be managed carefully.
     
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    I was expected you to continue on and say ...
    The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire
    (We don't need no water, let the mother****er burn)
    (Burn, mother****er, burn)
     
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    I want to see a deal brokered between the city/state/county and the cruise line to allow the folks to dock in Florida which also compensates the city/state/county for their time and expenses.That seems like the most equitable solution to me and also prevents a humanitarian disaster.

    I think that position is even more reasonable because this was a cruise which launched from Argentina and went to Chile and Peru... only 300/1200 passengers are American...the ship is now sailing for Florida... the nexis to Florida is attenuated. It doesn’t seem right a cruise line with a South American itinerary and an overwhelmingly non-American passenger list should be able to foist all the expense on the people of Florida/the United States.
     
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    Any bets that a cruise travel company sold interior, below deck rooms for 75% off, with a guaranteed of a bump to suite with a patio?

    [​IMG]
     
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    I know what you're saying but in their defense folks usually book these cruises around a year in advance. The closer you get to the sailing date, the less of a refund you receive. Holland caters to seniors, so I can see how this could have been an issue for some of them.

    I doubt that any cuise line would have departed just 14 days ago. I'm assuming that the cruise was longer than that but I haven't checked it.
     
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    Give them gas and food to get back to the Netherlands. Netherlands flag Netherlands problem.
     
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    In an ideal world this is the answer. But I'd just accept and quarantine for 14 days in some random warehouse. It would be 1 star lodging.
     
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    Orlando Ashford, president of Holland America, called the ships’ multiple border rejections “a humanitarian crisis” in an statement.

    “We are dealing with a 'not my problem' syndrome. The international community, consistently generous and helpful in the face of human suffering, shut itself off to Zaandam leaving her to fend for herself,” he said. “These are unfortunate souls unwittingly caught up in the fast-changing health, policy and border restrictions that have rapidly swept the globe.”

    Translation:
    We've tax dodged and free rode on international waters before.

    You welcomed us for our tourist money and political bribes to ease worker/health/environmental restrictions.

    Why can't you foot the bill?

    I don't want this to be an `only my problem' syndrome.​

    Some people are so pot commited they probably chanced it. Or it could be a similar reason that I was seriously thinking of going to Disneyland on the 1st of March. Last chance for a long long time...
     
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    they believed the POTUS who, effectively, dismissed COVID-19 as a hoax
     
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    [NPR] Coast Guard Tells Cruise Ships With COVID-19 Cases To Stay Away From U.S. Ports

    The U.S. Coast Guard is telling foreign-flagged cruise ships to be prepared to care for people with COVID-19 for an "indefinite period of time" at sea or to seek help from countries other than the U.S., citing a health care system that is being overwhelmed. The instructions are in a new safety bulletin that took effect this week along the southern Atlantic coast, including Florida – which is reporting more than 6,700 coronavirus cases, as of Tuesday evening.

    If a cruise ship must send someone ashore for medical care, its owner will be responsible for essentially every step of the trip, from arranging an evacuation to hiring a private ambulance and ensuring the person has a spot in a hospital. But the Coast Guard bulletin, signed by Rear Adm. E.C. Jones of the 7th District based in Miami, also says it could be difficult to find any facility in South Florida that can take new COVID-19 patients.

    "Medical facilities in the Port of Miami, for example, are no longer accepting MEDEVAC patients due to limited hospital capacity and it is expected that neighboring counties will follow suit," wrote Jones, whose Coast Guard district includes Florida, Puerto Rico, Georgia and South Carolina.

    The new medical requirements apply to any vessel carrying more than 50 people. It also singles out cruise ships that are registered in the Bahamas – referring to many of the ships owned by large cruise lines such as Carnival, Royal Caribbean and Norwegian.

    Foreign-flagged ships are the norm in the cruise industry. By registering ships in the Bahamas, Panama and other countries, cruise companies can avoid U.S. taxes as well as employment and environmental laws. But now, the Coast Guard is telling those companies that their ships should seek medical care in the countries where they are registered, rather than rely on the U.S.

    "Foreign flagged vessels that loiter beyond U.S. territorial seas, particularly those registered to The Bahamas, that require a MEDEVAC to a shoreside facility should seek flag state support prior to seeking support from the limited facilities in the U.S.," Jones wrote.

    The cruise ship industry is currently under a 30-day suspension of all trips from the U.S. that took effect on March 14. But dozens of ships remain at sea.


    The Coast Guard memo was first reported by the Miami Herald, which gives this accounting of the current situation off the Florida shore:

    News of the Coast Guard bulletin emerged as a Carnival-owned Holland America seeks a port for the Zaandam, a cruise ship on which four people have died and nearly 200 people were sickened by suspected COVID-19. The company wants the ship to dock in Fort Lauderdale; several countries have denied permission for the ship to dock and disembark passengers.
     
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    Agreed. Anyone on a cruise ship right now deserves a couple of months in Gitmo.
     
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    Sooo trendy and wild! Just the right opportunity to one-up that hipster blogger who was on the first flight to Cuba when they opened everything up.

    Do they accept Venmo at Gitmo?
     

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