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Are you willing to die for the economy?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by IBTL, Mar 25, 2020.

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Are you willing to die for the economy?

Poll closed Apr 14, 2020.
  1. Yes Im willing to die to possibly improve the economy

    11.4%
  2. No I don't think the economy is worth dying for

    88.6%
  1. Andre0087

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    The Federal Reserve disagrees...
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    lol, you should be more worried about there being a cheeseburger and a place that sells cheeseburgers than hyperinflation right now.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Everything in moderation dude. Nothing wrong with having a cheeseburger once a couple of weeks.
     
  4. deb4rockets

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    Then don't. Make it yourself.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    Now we know: The conservative devotion to life ends at birth
    By
    Max Boot
    Columnist
    March 27, 2020 at 5:00 a.m. CDT
    After watching so many on the right deny the science of climate change for so many years, I am not remotely surprised to now see so many “conservatives” denying the reality of the novel coronavirus. I am, however, shocked to see that the “pro-life” movement is so willing to sacrifice the lives of the elderly and ailing in a sick attempt to restart the U.S. economy while we are struggling with more coronavirus cases than any other country. Apparently, the right-wing devotion to life ends at birth.

    The Republican reaction initially was to write off concern about the virus as a “hoax” designed to embarrass President Trump. There was a brief turn in mid-March, when both Trump and his media boosters began to take the virus a bit more seriously. But now Trump and the right-wing media are coalescing around the theme that “the cure is worse than the disease” — meaning that, after trying social distancing for a week or two, we should all get back to normal and pretend people aren’t dying around us.

    Their justification for this dangerous move is based on pure ignorance. To cite but one example, Ann Coulter tweeted that “For people under 60, coronavirus is LESS dangerous than the seasonal flu.” In support of this view she included a chart that shows the coronavirus death rate for those aged 30 to 39 is 0.12 percent compared with a death rate for the flu of 0.02 percent for those aged 18 to 49 — meaning coronavirus is at least six times deadlier. But how many of her fans bothered to read the fine print?

    Fox News host Laura Ingraham, for her part, touted Trump’s miracle cure, claiming: “Lenox Hill in New York among many hospitals already using hydroxychloroquine with very promising results.” As a HuffPost reporter noted, this was based on false information from a man who doesn’t actually work at Lenox Hill Hospital. In fact, a small Chinese study just concluded that hydroxychloroquine is no more effective than standard treatment for the coronavirus. More research needs to be done, but it is highly irresponsible to tout this anti-malaria drug as a “gift from God,” as Trump has done. An Arizona man even died from ingesting fish tank cleaner containing chloroquine phosphate in hopes of preventing covid-19.

    Vastly more irresponsible — in fact, downright terrifying — is the willingness of some right-wingers to argue that we should sacrifice the lives of seniors to restart the economy. This notion was put forward most explicitly by Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick (R) on Fox News and amplified by other right-wing commentators. “You know, we don’t shut down the economy to save every single life that’s threatened by a widespread disease,” said Fox News senior political analyst Brit Hume. “We just don’t.” A Daily Wire host said we should accept “way over 35,000” deaths to “preserve our economy.”

    I thought I was hardened to the depravity of the Trumpified right, but even I am astonished by the callous willingness to risk large numbers of innocent casualties — as if the economy can function while the medical system is overwhelmed and people are (rightly) terrified of being infected.

    Radio host Dennis Prager bemoaned our unwillingness to sacrifice lives as we did during World War II, saying “that attitude leads to appeasement” and “cowardice.” The United States lost 418,500 people in World War II — and they were almost entirely military personnel. That’s bad enough, but it would be far worse to lose 2.2 million civilians — the worst-case estimate of the U.S. death toll if we let the novel coronavirus spread unimpeded.

    Many on the right sound like characters from “Dr. Strangelove.” (“Mr. President, I’m not saying we wouldn’t get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Uh, depending on the breaks.”) R.R. Reno, the editor of the “theocon” publication First Things, writes that “there are many things more precious than life” and laments that “fear of death and causing death is pervasive.”

    It’s easy to volunteer others to die — but not so easy to risk death yourself. Glenn Beck of the Blaze says, “I would rather die than kill the country. ‘Cause it’s not the economy that’s dying, it’s the country.” He is saying this while sitting by himself in what looks to be a home studio. When I see Beck volunteering to work a supermarket register, I will take his bravado a bit more seriously.

    But for a truly “sick” response it’s hard to top the Federalist. This right-wing website published a piece urging a “somewhat unconventional approach to COVID-19,” namely infecting volunteers to boost their immunity. In a similar vein, the Wall Street Journal editorial page ran an article urging the “deliberate infection” of first responders. I wonder what Christell Cadet would think of that. At last report, this 34-year-old paramedic in New York City was hooked up to a ventilator, fighting for her life, after contracting covid-19.

    I wish I could dismiss these commentators as an inconsequential, lunatic fringe. But they have the ear of a president who wants “packed churches” on Easter. If churches really are packed on Easter, those same houses of worship should be prepared to hold a lot of funerals by Memorial Day — if, that is, funerals are even permitted during a pandemics.
     
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  6. cml750

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    The damage a depression would do to this country is much greater than anything this virus can do. New unemployment claims are over 3,000,000 which is about 5 times higher than they have EVER been and there is a good chance those numbers do not reflect the true amount of people out of work .We are teetering on the edge of an abyss where if we fall over the edge there may be no way to ever come back. This has absolutely nothing to do with stock prices rather it is all about jobs. That being said there tends to be a lot more jobs when stock prices are high as witnessed just a month ago when we had almost unprecedented low unemployment with high labor participation.
     
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  7. FranchiseBlade

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    Anyone who advocates ending isolation for the economy is being a giant ******* to the Healthcare workers who are already overworked and under equipped. Some have actually given their lives to help fight this virus. Those that haven't died are willingly putting themselves at risk. They are also sacrificing family for the time being so not to risk infecting them.

    They don't deserve the slap in the face you and others are suggesting with this idea.

    1. It won't help the economy in the long run. Spreading the disease, causing more deaths, and putting more burden on our crappy healthcare system won't help the economy. So the whole idea is idiotic.

    2. Businesses, students, and many others are definitely hurt because of this virus and the isolation. But if people stop following those guidelines that sacrifice will be for naught.

    3. The pain, hardship, and ecomic suffering we are going through now is temporary. Going back to work would end that temporarily, then it would make worse for a much longer time.

    4. We have examples of countries that have already weathered the storm and are getting back to work. We know what they did that enabled it.

    5. We need people who don't have the will or fortitude to stomach these temporary measures to follow the advice of the medical experts and follow the example of nations that have dealt with the worst part of the situation and are now returning to work and emerging from isolation.

    Again anyone who advocates prematurely halting isolation and taking a huge dump on doctors, nurses, and technicians who are risking their lives and working overtime is being the worst kind of *******.
     
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