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COVID-19 (coronavirus disease)/SARS-CoV-2 virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by tinman, Jan 22, 2020.

  1. CCity Zero

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    @B-Bob sorry for adding a small novel there but was trying to make sure I could share what I was thinking/reading, this could change once more studies but I think this should be very close. It's really scary that it can spread with basically no symptoms. Essentially the crazy kids in Florida don't know any better.... Putting their parents and grandparents and major risk
     
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    Karma is a beach!
     
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  3. Nook

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    Ehh sort of. People often get hospital bills excused if they make under a certain amount of money or they simply don’t pay them and take a credit hit or file bankruptcy. It usually isn’t the poor that fear going to the ER. It is lower middle class people without adequate insurance.
     
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  4. Nook

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    Hard to know because we do not know the real fatality rate because the overwhelming majority of infected have not reached an outcome (death or resolution). If you look at Italy, the resolution rate is horrifying so far... 60% free of the virus and 40% dead!

    The fatality rate is largely related to the amount of pressure put on the healthcare system. When there are no beds or ventilators available, the dead bodies stack up quick.

    The key is to limit the amount of infected at any point in time to prevent spikes that lead to death.
     
  5. Nook

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    Yes it is true. Elective surgeries and surgeries that can wait are being cancelled. As are doctor appointments and screenings.

    The hospitals are being prepared for COVID and the military is building additional hospitals and also renting out strategic located places for hospital beds.

    While I think the death toll will prove less than most models have for the USA, it is going to be a life altering experience and there will be changes that virtually no one alive in the USA has experienced.
     
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    The key here, we need to let everyone who thinks they are too big to fail know is... social distancing. Prevention. Taking care where you go and what you touch at places like gas stations.

    Once you have it things become a crapshoot even with the best medical treatment, because you can't undo decades of bad habits or underlying disease in a few weeks.

    There is this notion that young people cannot really be affected by it, but there are enough under 40 are in ICU who thought themselves to be healthy (although this doesn't mean they were or had no existing conditions).
     
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  7. Senator

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    The thing about rich older italians is they often smoke like chimneys, I mean not stopping even when they eat. They also drink too much. Just a very unhealthy bunch in general who's immune systems would have been on the brink before this virus.
     
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    Apparently there is a French study that suggests azithromycin in conjunction with hydroxychloroquine as a treatment? Anybody want to explain how an antibiotic helps a viral infection?
     
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    By cutting out reproductive cycles - starving them of protein synthesis causing them to isolate and falter.
    When dealing with COVID, the immune cells of the human body do not know which is which.
     
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  10. CCity Zero

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    The hydroxychloroquine (assuming it is working) allows for the Covid-19 to be suppressed/impacted making it a shorter fight, but while doing this, the antibiotic is used in conjunction to fight 2ndary infections - "Some patients were also administered azithromycin to prevent bacterial superinfection." like the body is already being impacted and in a weakened state, so basically a bacterial infection could come in and mess things up really bad.

    So for example, In some cases of patients with bad infections and the immune system is overwhelmed focusing on a virus or something, a bacterial infection can come in and do extra damage to the body.
     
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    I'm no doctor or pharmacist, but what ends up killing or causing people to report to hospitals is the "other stuff" like pneumonia. Azithromycin is effective against stuff like that.
     
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    My favorite conspiracy theory: http://www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/
     
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    Right if it's the 2ndary infection type, like if the person is losing to Covid-19 and develops viral pneumonia from it, they can then get a double infection - like a 2ndary infection from bacteria (so both viral/bacterial) pneumonia. That's why they will give antibiotics depending on the situation.

    "patients with viral pneumonia are also at risk of developing secondary infections, so they would also be treated with anti-viral medication and antibiotics"

    Like there's two types of pneumonia, viral/bacterial, so viral typically has to run it's course (unless you're using viral meds that work), but bacterial can be treated with antibiotics - or can sometimes come in as a 2ndary infection in extreme cases of viral pneumonia. Ie body gets weak losing to viral or not doing a good job and bacteria comes in to take advantage etc
     
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    I feel like I don't really understand the scale of this tragedy in real time,

    627 new deaths today, every 2:30 minutes someone in Italy dies of Corona virus.

    4 Hours after i wrote that they announced that they close the border so atleast for now we are on the right path.
    Now the next stage is to test more pepole.
     
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    Everyone,everywhere uses antibiotics anyway in the hospitalised severe and critical pneumonia cases.

    Who said the rich northern only? The poorer southern italians too and that won't make any difference in the death rates.

    .You don't have to be rich in europe to smoke, many smoke in europe in all countries west, south north, and central and there isn't any smoking gender inbalance like in China either.
    In fact in many european countries women smoke more than men.

    Yet the death imbalance remain 70% men to 30% women.
     
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    Yes it is extremely hard to proccess. I haven't become numb yet with so much death, I have been crying my eyes out.
    But this will come too at some point because it will only get worse from here on.

    Soon I will hear about thousands of deaths each day and I will find it normal.
    What a world this has become..what a reality.
     
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  17. Yung-T

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    They finally closed beaches in Australia, stupidity knows no bounds:

     
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    Here too. The government closed the organised beaches but there are hundreds of thousands of unorganised beaches and they are full of idiots.
    The police can't possibly go check every beach to find the idiots.

    I wish it would start raining and the weather to come down to 10C.
    If it was possible to snow somehow that would be even beter but impossible.

    The virus may be easier to spread in the cold but it is harder for human stupidity to show itself.
     
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    Right, this is very true too.
     
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