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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. Corrosion

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    Really my age is irrelevant (Over 50) , my son is doing pretty much the same thing right now - sure I split the tuition costs with him but that just left him with enough money to buy a new vehicle - He could have done it alone but not been able to buy a new $50k car , he'd have been driving the hand me down he had been driving ...

    Working full time and going to school full time isn't easy - I know from experience but that along with going to a community college / JUCO for the basic classes and going to an economical school for the final two years , you can walk away pretty much debt free - Today.
    Hell you can take one or two classes instead of a full load .... even if it does take you longer to graduate.

    There's a whole lot of options out there for college / continued education besides going deep into debt.

    Nope , we can't all afford Harvard , Yale or Penn Wharton .... but we can get a quality education without being in debt if we make the right choices.
     
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    I've been trying to make this point recently but no one is paying attention - Using Bernie's estimates for healthcare costs at $4t per year when the most we've ever spent is $3.8t and the idea here is to cut costs .... I'm not seeing the savings which should be quite substantial when we are removing the middle man's profits.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    Could be the sources you read?
     
  4. fchowd0311

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    Age plays a significant factor. And yes, paying for half of your son's tuition is major luxury that a large portion of young Americans don't have the luxury in having.

    60 years ago, a high school degree and a factory labor job allowed you to get married, have your spouse stay at home and raise the children and own a home
     
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    BTW, which minority? Not all suffer the same level of discrimination. So no luck involved at all ? Was the single parent exceptionally healthy, strong and stable? No help at all from better than average teachers, coaches, or public schools
    etc. ? No disabilities or accidents, arbitrary stop and frisks etc.

    BTW nobody argues about effort and personal responsibility.
     
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    Joe has declined quite a bit since 2008. In fact seeing the difference between then and now makes the case. Joe could not debate Ryan now.
     
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    Looking forward to the March 15 debate against Bernie. We shall see
     
  8. Nook

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    The Sanders plan is a Ponzi scheme. What he claims he will do is simply not possible without a marginal tax rate approaching 80% and that is assuming the US economy doesn’t falter at all.

    As soon as I really looked deeply at his proposals, the cost estimates from independent think tanks and the way he presents his proposals... my opinion of him and his “movement” drastically changed. He is irresponsible.
     
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  9. Corrosion

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    Native American.

    My mother was the single parent , dad was dead by the time my sister was born , we're three years apart- No , she wasn't at all stable or strong , in fact more often than not she wasn't there. My younger sister and I practically raised ourselves. She by the way has a doctorate from Rice .... via a full ride after graduating from HISD's Highschool for Health Professions with honors.

    Help from teachers .... no much. School was a living hell. You try being the only indian in the school back in a time when we were portrayed so negatively on television and the movies and every schoolyard bully wanted to be the cowboy..

    Accidents ? Shredded my knee just after graduation which cost me my baseball scholarships - got pinned between two cars , one hitting above my knees , the other just below. Tore everything.
     
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  10. Corrosion

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    https://berniesanders.com/issues/



    My son could have paid for it entirely on his own - my paying for half simply allowed him the ability to splurge on a new vehicle.
     
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    ‘The establishment forced Amy and Pete out of the race’ as if these two have no independent brains with an understanding of how basic math work.

    Progressive picked the wrong horse IMO.
     
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    Jesse Jackson endorsed Bernie Sanders today
     
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    to the extent that Jackson did not announce his support before Super Tuesday, this is a kiss of death, suggesting that it may not be that sincrere.

    Also, this could drive suburban women away from the Bern

    Jackson is also known as,

    • the carnival barker who rode on the coattail of the Civil Rights movement, kinda like

    the trust fund baby riding on the > $400M inheritance from Fred Trump
    • the self-proclaim Christian who had impregnated his secretary, kinda like

    the trust fund baby who had impregnated his housekeeper, cleaner​
     
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    Gross.
     
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    Unfortunately, Jesse is not as influential in the black community as he once was....

    I'm pretty sure 80% to 90% of the millennials or Gen Z have no ideal who Jesse Jackson is...

    T_Man
     
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    that should make voters switch from Trump to Sanders
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    What did the North Vietnamese do to America?
     
  20. ElPigto

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    The problem is that students in high school are not being taught to make financial choices in life. I was raised by my grandma (retired) and uncle (disabled) and we lived on a meager $18k a year plus whatever we received in food stamps and we did have medicaid.

    When I was looking at colleges, my preference was to go to a private school, my issue though is that I did not have anyone to help me out (unless I worked full time) or unless I got myself in deep debt. I chose to go to a public university (I was top 10% so I was automatically accepted to UT) so I chose to go there. I didn't have a full ride and I did need to borrow about 20% of my expenses, but I made the choice not to go to private school where the help wasn't there.

    I also looked into the career I chose (engineering) and realized that I should be able to pay my loans off without any trouble.

    It was a good financial decision for me and it was something I had to actually think about. I knew plenty of my friends that didn't give it any thought and decided to go all in on loans and to top it off they graduated with some shitty liberal arts degree (Mexican American studies) while paying top dollar to go to a really good school with very little grants and scholarships. You also add that to making poor choices, like graduating with tons of debt and then going into a tier 4 law school and well you just compound the problem.

    I've talked to my family who have kids in their sophomore and junior year of high school and I let them know to at least give their kids some financial lessons and the issues with making expensive choices. One of my cousin's daughter is not likely to get a ton of grants and scholarships and I keep telling her, make her go take her basics at a community college and spend less money and then transfer over to a larger university where she can finish out her major.

    I also have family on my mom's side who shouldn't even be thinking about college and instead should be thinking about attaining some sort of trade skill (plumbing, welder, etc). I told my mom, not everybody needs to go to ****ing college, you can make a damn good living as a plumber, electrician, mechanic, etc so just encourage them to follow that route instead. They don't have to go to some technical school for that **** either, just do an apprentice under somebody willing to train you or a large company and learn that way.

    I don't know man, I get that it's expensive out there, but I'll be damn if we start bailing out people that have made poor financial decisions. I want to have sympathy for them, but when I saw those same individuals doing study abroad programs or taking out loans so they can do some cool summer trip while I busted my ass in internships or Walmart/target to try to make some money to help my grandma and uncle financially, I have a hard time having sympathy.

    Here I am 10 years since I graduated and I have a house, paid off cars, money in 401k, money in savings, and minimal debt and all because of some good choices I made when I was entering adulthood.
     
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