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[Official] Joe 2020

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by justtxyank, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking
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    [Educational Post]
    The market rallied after Trump's election (even before his inauguration) - once they figured out the stain of Obama's policies would be wiped clean, and in their place a set of pro-growth policies from Trump. Which is why my statement stands - 8000 point rally since his election.

    Obama enjoyed the most accommodative monetary policy in the history of Earth, gifted to him by the Fed. Had he done nothing but play golf, and passed no legislation, then the markets would have skyrocketed far greater than what we saw. Instead, he stunted the market's growth by reaching into our pockets by raising taxes, by dramatically expanding the size of government, and by suffocating the economy with bad trade deals and over regulation. Thankfully the stain of Obama's impact was wiped clean by President Trump - the most effective President in modern history.

    GOOD DAY
     
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  2. NewRoxFan

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    Another "gee, I wonder about the timing of all this" moment...

     
  3. adoo

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    traitor_Geroge is a glutton for punishment, continues to publicze his ignorance

    for the education of the traitor,

    Obama inherited a bankrupt economy, which was losing over 100K jobs a month, the GDP was shrinking each month.

    The dotard inherited a healthy economy, growing ~ 2%, w > 70 consecutive mo of job growth​
     
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  4. El_Conquistador

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    [Educational Post]
    Actually it is far harder to grow an economy that the Fed has already resuscitated... Trump's economic growth came in the face of rising interest rates - difficult to do. Obama on the other hand... it is quite easy to grow from the 2009 economy that Obama inherited... and then 8 straight years of literally 0% interest rates to cover up his anti-growth policy efforts. Once again, advantage Trump. Obama had no idea how to manage an economy - he had virtually no business experience, other than writing books about himself.

    GOOD DAY
     
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  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    I mean... the guy had zero bankruptcies! What a lightweight.

    HIGH FIVE (with sanitary glove of course)
     
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  6. RayRay10

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    Just realize that it’s Bernie who is choosing to play the game that way...no one is making him go 1 on 5 with biased refs.

    Bernie is pulling 30-40% of the Dem side; that’s equal to a max of 22% of voters if you add Republicans that boted in their primary in there. Primaries get a lot less voters than the general election which means the percentage of people that are picking Bernie now goes even lower among likely November voters. He was never going to win without help and compromise and he continues to choose not to do it. That’s not an establishment thing like he and his supporters are claiming...that’s a decision he’s made and continues to make.

    This is politics; it requires working with others and compromising in order to get what you want. That’s the way it’s been since the beginning of mankind. Just because you and your friends/family believe one way, doesn’t mean the 300 million other people in the US believe the same way.
     
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  7. adoo

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    GOOD DAY[/QUOTE]
    the dizzying height of stupidity.

    my advise to the traitor is to heed the words of abe lincoln


    better to remain silent and be thought of as a fool than
    to speak out to remove all doubts​
     
  8. MiddleMan

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    Im upset, as a Bernie bro. I will not vote for the nominated democrat.
     
  9. MiddleMan

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    DNC panic and had candidates drop but not Warren, coincidence? As a Bernie bro I will not vote for the nominated candidate unless is Bernie of course.
     
  10. El_Conquistador

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    [Premium Post]
    SIZZLE CHEST,
    Trump never personally declared bankruptcy, however he did have a few deals that went bad, but far, far more succeeded. Even the best investors don't achieve 100% success rates. 100% success was definitely not possible during the high leverage, high volatility 80's and 90's, when Trump was doing casino deals. I always chuckle when someone raises the issue of Trump's business entity bankruptcies - I take it as people self identifying that they don't know much about how business works. In your case, as a science research guy (lack of business instincts/experience), it checks out! Myself, as a well-regarded international industrialist, well, my business knowledge is off the charts. Which is why I have the highest level of respect for the job President Trump has done with our economy.

    GOOD DAY
     
  11. dmoneybangbang

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    Inherited all that money and that’s it?
     
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    He nutted out of a 413 million dollar penis and wrote off the most losses from 1984 to 1994 of any individual American with most of the losses from money he owes to the banks and not his own money.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    I just realized something.

    Bill Clinton is younger than both Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. Yikes.
     
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  14. Mr.Scarface

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    Ok, bye. Your cant expand his base...not Biden or the DNC’s fault.
     
  15. Mr.Scarface

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    LOL. Bernie is NOT a democrat. Thats his problem. Obama beat the Establishment by being a better Candidate than Hillary. Bernie is not in the same Universe as Obama.
     
  16. AleksandarN

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    I didn’t know it was 5 people vs 1. I thought it was voters who decided. Maybe if he was more inclusive Bernie would have done better. FYI Bernie out spent Biden by how much so far? Seems like it was Biden verses the spending machine of Bernie.
     
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  17. AleksandarN

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    So I take it you are also a trump supporter
     
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    maybe. maybe not:

    https://reason.com/2020/03/04/joe-biden-is-no-moderate/

    Joe Biden Is No Moderate
    Biden is a classic big-government liberal.
    by Peter Suderman
    3.4.2020 1:43 PM

    Super Tuesday, which vaulted former Vice President Joe Biden ahead of Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.), looks like a victory for the Democratic Party's moderate forces.

    In the days leading up to the vote, the party's less progressive voters and candidates consolidated around Biden. Both Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D–Minn.) and former South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, who had cast themselves as moderate alternatives to Sanders, ended their campaigns and endorsed Biden. Biden surged in national polling, and Democratic voters largely ignored former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who spent hundreds of millions of his personal dollars attempting to portray himself as the candidate of moderate consensus. (So much for buying the presidency.)

    In the end, however, Biden claimed that mantle. With Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) flailing and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D–Hawaii) barely registering, the Democratic primary is now a de facto two-man race, with Sanders the favorite of the socialist-friendly left and Biden representing the party's moderate, centrist voters. Even President Donald Trump, who has loudly criticized Democrats for appearing to embrace Sanders-style socialism, seems to essentially accept this frame.

    But there is a problem with this view: Biden is a moderate compared to Sanders, but he is notably to the left of previous Democratic standard-bearers. To describe Biden as a moderate without this context is to ignore the specifics of his agenda and the leftward shift in Democratic Party politics it represents.

    Consider Biden's health care plan. Although he has criticized Medicare for All, the fully government-run system favored by Sanders, Biden has proposed a significant expansion of the Affordable Care Act that his campaign estimates would cost $750 billion over a decade, nearly as much as the original bill signed by President Barack Obama. Although it would not nationalize the financing of health insurance, as the Sanders plan would, Biden's proposal would nevertheless set up a new, government-run insurance plan, expand eligibility for insurance subsidies well into the middle class, and make benefits available to people who can access coverage through their employer. If enacted, it would represent a major increase in government spending on health care and a substantial increase in the government's involvement in the health care system.

    Beyond health care, Biden has proposed a $1.7 trillion climate plan that is similar in scope to many candidates on his left and a $750 billion education plan that would be used, among other things, to increase teacher salaries and provide expanded access to pre-kindergarten. He favors an assault weapons ban and other gun control measures, a national $15 minimum wage, and a raft of subsidies, loans, and other government-granted nudges designed to promote rural economies. Has proposed $3.4 trillion worth of tax hikes—more than double what former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton proposed when she ran in 2016.

    To some extent, this just makes Joe Biden a Democrat in 2020, a successor to President Obama whose approach to policy could be summed up as, "Obama, but more."

    That alone puts him to the left of previous presidential nominees. As a recent article in Vox put it, over the course of his campaign, Biden has "outlined a suite of policies that, taken on their own terms, would be the most ambitious governing agenda of any modern Democrat." If he won, he would "be the most progressive Democratic nominee in history."

    Biden, in other words, would be the leftmost presidential nominee in memory even while representing the party's center. And that tells us something important—not just about Biden, but about the Democratic party.

    Biden, arguably more than any other contemporary American politician, has long embodied the Democratic establishment consensus, from its tough-on-crime days in the 1990s to its wrong-about-Iraq days in the early 2000s to its technocratic economic policy gambles under Obama, when Biden played pivotal roles in the stimulus, the auto bailout, and high-stakes congressional budget deals. Biden is an avatar of the party's self-conception, the closest thing capitol-D Democrats have to a mascot.

    Biden's leftward drift is thus the party's leftward shift. He isn't a Sanders-style socialist, but he is, as I wrote last year, a big-government liberal, a candidate whose current incarnation was shaped and informed by progressive politics, if not wholly captured by them. That he looks moderate relative to Sanders is just another sign of how the party center has moved. If, as now seems plausible, he bests Sanders in the primary, the party's current moderates will have won—but true moderation will have lost.
     
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  19. NewRoxFan

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    Interesting how many trump supporters are also suddenly Sanders supporters. Telling...
     
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  20. Jayzers_100

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    I just don’t see how Biden loses, to be frank. Here was my mind in 2016: “gosh I really don’t care for Hillary. But Trump is a really immoral guy and seems incompetent. Hillary should win by default”. So trump won and that was shocking to me.

    fast forward to 2020: “okay Biden is the nominee. Yeah he’s old and makes gaffes but I’ve always had massive respect for him. He seems like one of these people who make a natural president. I trust that he can accomplish things and his wisdom seems to have no bounds. I trust him with the budget, foreign relations, etc. Trump is a far bigger threat and moron after his first term than I ever thought imaginable. This should be an easy decision for most sensible Americans.”

    so that’s where I am. Admittedly I wanted Joe to run in 2016 because I thought he was a stronger candidate than Bernie and Hillary at that time too. So maybe I’m biased or just a Joe lover in general. I loved it when Obama picked him in 2008. Joe is just...presidential. It’s hard to put into words. Sure I was more excited about Klobuchar but I knew Joe would either sink or swim in the polls. He swam and I’m fine coming back to him.
     
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