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[OFFICIAL] Bernie Sanders for President thread

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. MiddleMan

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    Let’s enjoy the show.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

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    "Bernie Sanders is Funded by the Wealthiest Zip Codes in America":

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/20...althiest-zip-codes-america-daniel-greenfield/

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    Bernie Sanders is Funded by the Wealthiest Zip Codes in America
    Tech industry bros and trust-fund hipsters are buying the nomination for Bernie.

    Thu Feb 27, 2020
    Daniel Greenfield

    In Los Angeles, it’s not unusual to see a Beemer streak by with a Bernie 2020 sticker on the back bumper. There’s no such thing as a poor socialist and Bernie’s backers tend to have lots of cash.

    While Bernie Sanders accuses Bloomberg of trying to buy his way to the nomination, the socialist bought his surge with $50 million in spending. He raised $25 million just in January. There’s more buying to do.

    And while he boasts of backing from small donors, the wealth of his donors is anything but small.

    Google, Amazon, and Microsoft. Their employees are three of the top 4 Bernie donors. Apple is in fifth place. These dot coms are not exactly organizations known to employ members of the proletariat. Google software engineers have sent thousands of dollars, individually, to Bernie.

    Google’s senior engineers, like the ones who have backed Bernie, make $250,000 a year.

    Geographically, Bernie's top dollar zip code is 94110 in San Francisco. The average household income in this part of the Mission District, specifically the Inner Mission, the Bernal Heights area, is $166,302. The median home value is around $1.5 million and the median rent is almost $5,000 a month.

    There are no poor socialists in what was dubbed as “the hottest neighborhood in San Francisco.”

    This was the area that Salon founder David Talbot blasted as the "hottest zip code in the country" overrun by "Silicon Valley movers and shakers" in "new-model Teslas, BMWs and Uber limousines". It’s only fitting that it should also be the spigot through which so much of Bernie’s tech bros dollars flow.

    The second top dollar Bernie zip code in San Francisco, 94117 or Haight-Ashbury, seems like a better fit for Bernie. But the Summer of Love has long since given way to the Winter of Trust Fund Hipsters in the Haight where the average income is $201,503 and average home values top $1.6 million.

    The media has made much of Bernie’s flow of donations from Brooklyn. But the money isn’t coming from the working-class Brooklynites of Bernie’s old neighborhood, but the gentrifying areas of the borough. 11215 or Park Slope is the second biggest top dollar zip code of Bernie donors.

    The neighborhood, formerly urban, known as the home of Mayor Bill de Blasio, and the Park Slope Food Co-Op and its anti-Semitic push to boycott Israel, is filled with renovated brownstones filled with wealthy hipsters. It’s a place where a three-bedroom apartment can go for $2.9 million.

    To New Yorkers, Park Slope has become a curse word embodying everything wrong with the new elite.

    In third place on Bernie’s donor list is 10025 or the Upper West Side of Manhattan. With an average rental price of $4,695, it’s not exactly an inexpensive place to live. The UWS is the 8th richest neighborhood with a $190,281 mean household income. And this is where Bernie’s cash comes from.

    11238 or Prospect Heights, in fourth place, is a newly gentrified neighborhood in Brooklyn where the median sales price passed $1 million, and you can expect to spend $800,000 for a one-bedroom co-op. The formerly urban neighborhood has been colonized by wealthy hipsters from Park Slope, and much of what goes for Park Slope also goes for Prospect Heights. They’re the gentrifiers funding Bernie Sanders.

    In fifth place is 98103, the Seattle neighborhood of Wallingford. With an average household income of $124,504, the University of Washington neighborhood with its $800,000 homes isn’t working class. Among the cheapest housing options is a $400,000 one-bedroom condo that’s a mere 757 square feet. The area is so expensive because it’s home to tech employees, including Microsoft engineers.

    Microsoft employees are among Bernie’s top dollar donors.

    And in seventh place is 90026. The Echo Park neighborhood in Los Angeles is a hipster haven which boasts the most expensive pizza in the city where the median price for housing is $813,000, and rents can hit $6,700 a month. Like Park Slope and Haight-Ashbury, Echo Park is full of wealthy hipsters.

    That’s Bernie’s core demographic.

    In eight place is the Logan Square neighborhood of Chicago at zip code 60647. Logan Square is among the most expensive neighborhoods in the Windy City. A condo will set you back over half a million dollars. The rush got so bad that a garage transformed into a home was going for $2.85 million. With its hipster bars and a farmers market, it’s the perfect area for Bernie’s upscale and trendy base.

    Ninth and tenth on the list of Bernie’s money neighborhoods are two expensive Manhattan areas.

    10003, Union Square and Greenwich Village in downtown Manhattan, is home to NYU, once a hive of angry radicals, now stuffed full of luxury co-ops with wealthy radicals, where condos cost millions of dollars. Greenwich Village has been listed as the ninth most expensive neighborhood in New York City. So, it’s only fitting that it’s the ninth on the list of areas funding the Sanders 2020 presidential campaign.

    In tenth place is 10011 or Chelsea and the West Village of Manhattan. It’s also the single most expensive zip code in New York City. Not only is it the most expensive area in New York, but it’s the 23rd most expensive area in the country with a median sale price approaching $2 million. And with average monthly rents of over $4,000, it’s the 19th most expensive rental area in the entire United States.

    It’s also home to New York’s Silicon Alley, the city’s tech industry ghetto of dot com and fintech startups.

    What do Bernie’s top donor zip codes have in common? Beyond wealth, Bernie’s cash flow is coming from a handful of very blue cities, almost all of them in California and New York City. Only two of the top ten zip codes are located outside San Francisco, Los Angeles, and New York City. That alone conveys the insular and unrepresentative nature of Bernie’s funding base compared to the rest of the country.

    Bernie’s campaign is powered by the very concentrations of power and wealth that he condemns.

    The unrepresentative nature of Bernie’s backers isn’t just a matter of geography, but of culture. Some of Bernie’s top dollar zip codes overlap with the tech industry. His candidacy represents another example of how the tech industry has not only distorted our economy, but also warped our politics.

    Much of Bernie’s money comes from hipster hubs where wealthy young white people in major urban areas have made old neighborhoods, including Bernie’s Brooklyn, unaffordable to the working class and middle-class people who once used to live there. Bernie’s donors, especially in places like Prospect Heights and Echo Park have also played a significant role in displacing minorities and the poor.

    Follow Bernie’s money and it’s easy to see his campaign for the hypocritical farce that it is.
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  3. Outlier

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    This is a poor article. Does the author only expect lower class citizens to be supporting Bernie? So what if hes reaching higher class citizens? Those are still not millionaires.
     
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    Bernie's average contribution is just 19 dollars from over 1.9 million individual donors. Is Bernie's campaign the most people-powered presidential campaign in modern history?
     
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    You must not be used to the quality of articles posted by @Os Trigonum
     
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    Look at all these Bernie Bros!!!
     
  7. Jayzers_100

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    Delegates are proportionally delegated. Bernie has been favored to win the plurality if votes in those states for awhile now. Biden will get tons of delegates from those states too
     
  8. FrontRunner

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    That's crazy, man. Many people have sacrificed life and limb for this country, many more just for the right to vote BECAUSE they believe in this country and what it stands for.

    Participating in an election scam at the behest of any so-called leader is a disgrace to their memories and is a truly unAmerican act, IMHO.

    You do you though. :)
     
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  9. Corrosion

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    Who doesn't ? The people who end up paying for it .... Free aint free.


    Yeah , I'm fairly content with the cost of continued education being fairly high.

    Either you or your parents have the funds or you borrow .... just like most other large purchases and that's exactly what it is. A purchase you freely and willingly make - an investment in yourself. The only person that should be on the hook for that person is that individual. You want it , Earn it.

    What I do have a problem with is how unprepared kids are today leaving high school .... we spend 13 years educating them and now they need 4 more years ? This is total incompetence from the top to the bottom ... while high schools are building multi 50-100 million dollar sports complexes yet the kids aren't prepared for a job serving coffee or flippin burgers.

    Start handing out that free college .... I bet the results are similar - a buncha unprepared kids with useless degrees (kinda like now but worse).
     
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  10. Corrosion

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    I agree with that - this socialist garbage needs to get beaten handily at the ballot box .... Bernie , AOC and the rest of those clowns.

    There's one problem and only one reason any of these horrible candidates have any support - Trump is vulnerable. He's a bad candidate himself ....

    Any decent GOP candidate would run the electoral table on this freebie handout platform.

    But Trump has a lot of baggage - he's been labeled a racist & been impeached for improprieties .... and a long list of other crap.

    Nominating Bernie .... might not result in sending this ideology back to the fringes .... and that scares the hell outa me.
     
  11. AleksandarN

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    Having free or partially funded education would actually improve the society as a whole. The top schools in the country wouldn’t be stuck with the George Bushes of the world. You would have only the brightest and most talented going to the best schools instead of being stuck with the C minus rich kids.
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    For someone who has more than 5 seperate occasions said that Medicare for all is the eventual solution to our healthcare dilemma, you sure paint a odd picture of the existential threat to the American way of life if Bernie is elected. Is free college really the thing that pushes you over from "this is the correct solution" to "existential crisis"?
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Thomas Jefferson was the strongest proponent of "equal opportunity" in education. He believed the only bar of entry for education was academic success and not how well off your parents were.
     
  14. Corrosion

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    They'll regret the day they voted for Bernie .... when the tax bill comes due.


    What !? You were only suppose to tax the rich!
     
  15. Corrosion

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    Absofreakinlutely .... especially coupled with all the other freebies.
     
  16. Corrosion

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    You really believe that ? I don't.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    Ya, that isn't a rational take in my opinion. Medicare for all is by far the most significant portion of his spending desires.

    It's like saying you think a pancake with syrup is healthy but adding some whip cream makes it a artery clogger.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    What part do you not believe? That a lot of Americans would benefit by having a structured class room environment where they are forced to read complex text and write in a analytical manner rather than reading click bait headlines, memes and watching YouTube videos for their intellectual stimuli?

    A more educated society is a more free society. Ask the founders. A more educated society that practices reading and writing is a more introspective critical society.
     
  19. Corrosion

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    The part I don't believe is that we wont have crappy C students from the ultra wealthy taking up airspace they don't deserve.

    I don't disagree that education is important or that educated people aren't good for society.

    What I don't believe in is the taxpayer footing the bill for everything.

    I've already given in on healthcare , fine , tax us all and pay for everyone's - Take over a 6th of the economy when in principal I do not agree with it.

    Now you want to take over further education too , how about getting K-12 right before you tell me the gubmint needs to take over colleges .... What's next ? Oh , that's right - electricity.

    You guys are trying to turn America into Venezuela where the gubmint runs everydamnthing.
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Education has always been under the purview of the government's responsibility even during the era of our founding. Our founders believed that tax payers should foot the bill for education.

    A free market of education means that the more you pay the better education you receive and therefore you have an inherent disadvantage being born into a poor family to rise to a higher socioeconomic status.

    No one is asking for the public takeover of Tesla and Disney.
     

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