Connecticut Girl Track Athletes Fighting To Get Transgenders Off Their Track

Abnormaloties with genome are abnormalities. You are a science denier. Also one must look at evolutionary science and the role biological sex plays. Its purpose. You dismiss such basic facts but you are using small irregularities in the very specifically purposed, very much binary, reproduction system.

That science you deny aside.... what about the rights of normal people who want traditional society? How dare they eh? Just because a few people have mental problems they have to play along and call them something they are not and treat them like it? Sorry compelled speech is bullshit. And taking freedom and forcing this delusion on people is wrong and the antithesis of liberal democracy.

 

Abnormalities such as allowing someone to grow to seven feet tall or be 300 lbs with less than 20% body fat? Sports are full of people who are out of the norm.

As far as denying science you sound like the people who condemned Galileo defending an orthodoxy. Science doesn't support a binary gender as has already been repeatedly stated. As far as compelled speech I'm not sure what that has to do with the topic that you started. As far as I'm aware no one is compelling you to speak here.

 

Just a follow up on my earlier post regarding equality in competition. In my sport Judo and in a few other sports we have allowed women to compete against men in situations where the women do not have, or they don't feel like they have, equal competition in the women's division.

Also for the record I have coached a trans athlete, male to female, who competed against women and men. She didn't dominate the men's or women's division which had more to do with the quality of the opponents she faced than with any innate biological advantage.

 

Well the OP keeps on accusing others of being science deniers. Have you asked him if he knows anything about their chromosomes?

{edit} Pgabriel my apology. I just checked the first page of this thread and you are the OP. I had mixed up you and Dachuda because when I looked at the first page the first thing that caught my eye was the pic of Galileo.

 

I think @cml calling a transgender girl a boy is a bigger issue than transgender girls in sports.

I feel there is a path here but it's just not entirely known yet. Clearly if someone maintains a hormone level below a certain threshold their musculature is going to adjust to the gender - it's a question of how long though.

And ultimately, sports is never going to be a level playing field. If a male naturally can put on muscle faster than another else, and thereby wins competitions no one says it is unfair. At the high school level, if you create a set of standards that cover hormone levels for a given period of time it is unlikely to impart too much of an advantage for what high schools sports is suppose to be - encouraging a positive experience through excellence.

 

What absurdly good WNBA player wouldn't want their clitoris to grow into a penis and their ovaries to drop and form into testicles so they could potentially earn $1 billion in their playing career in the N B A?

 

How about body building females that weight train to the point that they stop menstruating, have an Adam's apple and that weird long ().. They can't run track for Connecticut Women's Teams?

 

shhhh you're ruining their circle jerk

 

Make a new category for them.

That's the logical choice.

I mean, you can't have Lebron and KD join the WNBA.

 

On the nature of unfairness, especially in elite sports (really, in a non-elite setting, it's not so much about winning or losing but fears of "trans") ...

The argument is that transwomen have men's body, and that's unfair. That's true. We know that men and women have different body types and have traditionally separate sports between men and women. But not always - see women kicker in football. However, that's completely acceptable since she's at a disadvantage, but maybe not so (perhaps women's body is better for accuracy - who knows). But I digress a bit.

Back to body differences and unfairness.

Black and white have distinct differences in body types. But we accept that. It doesn't mean that blacks win at all men's sports (of course they don't), but they do win at a higher rate at certain sports (basketball, track and field, and so on). It's okay because we accept the differences and we have label for who won. A black athletic from Jamaica! Woohoo.

How big of a difference is that from saying we accept transgender in women's sport and they win with a label?

Both have advantages due to their body types. Both were once excluded due to their race or sex, and have won over inclusion (not so much for transgender - thought the IOC 2015 allow transgender in women sport with some criteria). I do see the unfairness but our society has done this at least once, has moved on. Why are we drawing a harder line at transgender?

 

@Jontro
The answer is to make that a separate section

they do this on non sports sites

 

All of them; seriously, what the ****?

 

This is the type of s**t that pisses me off, people try to cast off anybody that disagrees as bigoted in some way. I completely support trans rights in every regard, and have no "fear" of them whatsoever.

I don't think a person born biologically male should ever get to compete with women. Sure as hell not somebody who is merely identifying as female.

 

The question of fairness is weird. We aren't born equal regardless.

 

This is true, sports are inherently unfair.

So if we want to pursue that option get rid of women's sports altogether. If they can't compete with men, too bad.