Pete Vs Bernie

I would love either combination of Bernie and yang/warren. I’d probably prefer yang to be his running mate at this point.

 

It might be more likely to be Bloomberg vs Bernie.

For me of course, Bernie.

Pete doesn't seem to have an ideology or a particular reason he wants to be president... outside of becoming president. His positions have changed as the wind blows, his whole persona is a cheesy act. He seems like an obvious careerist, and hey I can't blame people for wanting to further their career, for trying to make some money and take of their family, but it doesn't exactly make for the best motivation to be president, and is not what the American people need right now IMO.

I view a Pete presidency bringing extremely little change from the Obama admin. Business as usual, he won't be a clown-like Trump, but the economy will continue to get harder and harder for the poor, and boy do the war hawks in the establishment left scare me.

I view a Bernie presidency as having the potential be revolutionary to the standard of living for working Americans. At best, life gets much better for the average American, we do a lot to combat climate change, wages are rising, healthcare does really well, inequality shrinks, more people get college education etc, at worst, Bernie gets stonewalled to death, but he does absolutely no harm, tax cuts are not given out, environmental regulations are at least restored a bit, and I trust him the most not to get us in trouble foreign policy-wise.

So at worst, if Bernie gets stone walled to death as everyone expects, he becomes the moderate president every Biden/Pete/Klobuchar fan seems to really want. So I can't see any appeal for Pete, outside of worthless rhetoric, and the superficial appeals of him being young, healthy-looking, LGBT, and having a non old man raspy Brooklyn accented voice.

Give me Bernie, or give me Warren, I'd be very happy. Extremely disappointed with the rest of the field, would see very little hope for the progression of the living standards of the working class under any other candidate.

 

Bernie likely goes with Warren. He needs a woman and he's unlikely to compromise on values, so Warren seems like an ideal fit.

Not sure who Pete would get - he'd need a minority for sure. And probably someone with gravitas/credibility/experience (like Biden was for Obama). That said, his debate performance today was less than great especially on race issues, so an already difficult mountain to climb might have become even higher. Not sure where it goes from here, but Biden may have done enough to get back into 3rd and maybe position himself to compete in NV/SC? Not really sure.

 

I have no real concerns about Bernie as President, largely for the reasons here. But he may well cost them many seats in the House and almost certianly put the Senate out of play since that's being contested in red/purple states. And while he won't accomplish anything, his rhetoric will likely still lead to a red wave in 2022 when hatred-for-Trump is no longer on the ballot.

I'd also note that shooting for the stars and accomplishing nothing by blowing all your political capital on fairytales is worth far less than making meaningful, non-revolutionary progress. For all the **** about Obama, 30,000,000 people got healthcare - much of it free or highly subsidized, pre-existing conditions became a non-issue, etc.

 

Yes if Bernie got stonewalled to death I could see a red wave. I would also see a red wave for any type of Pete/Biden/Bloomberg presidencies as well.

The only scenario I don't see a red wave in is Bernie going in and actually being able to accomplish some of the things he wants.

If our government doesn't truly begin to address the quality of life for the working class immediately, people are going to continue to get very, very antsy, Trump would have just been the tip of an iceberg. The poor is simply being ****ed too hard, the working class, the middle class is simply getting ****ed too hard.

 

Klobuchar and whoever .... Not down with all the socialism , give me a moderate.

 

IDK... The actual socialist will cause a different reaction. The GOP will certainly come up with something but Bernie just gives them so much more ammo.

 

Bernie isn’t an actual socialist, his campaign closest aligns to social democracy. A mixed economy, not socialism.

I don’t think it’s more ammo, the ammo will be there regardless if quality of life isn’t addressed in a significant way, If people aren’t happy they vote for change, if a dem wins and no change happens people will be unhappy and a red wave will come. Perhaps bigger then anything the next candidate might also have to deal with a recession which is reall ammo.

 

My sincere hope is that the dems finally wise up and make sure their ticket has one moderate and one progressive on it. We must unite the party to win in Nov

 

The trouble with Bernie is the economy will likely go into the crapper. We are already over leveraged and the Bernie scare will push us over the edge. This is why the establishment does not want Bernie. It will set the Democrats back for years to come.

 

Still holding out hope people wake up and start paying attention to Klobuchar. She can win the general.

You absolutely cannot run a Bernie/Warren ticket. Two really old white people from the same political lane will only amplify their negatives, and leave us center-lefters left feeling uninspired and dreading the November 3rd massacre.

The conversation about VP, regardless of nominee, should start with Stacey Abrams. Andrew Gillum would be another smart choice, especially if the nominee is female to balance out the ticket. I’d also, and yes I’m being serious, do my due diligence on any potential interest from Michelle Obama.

This is a rare election where the VP choice could potentially make-or-break the ticket.

 

I strongly doubt Sanders get's much accomplished. Consider that even though Trump has cult like support many of his more controversial proposals didn't get accomplished. The GOP controlled Congress didn't vote to fund the wall and he's having to do a Constitutional end run just to get a little built. They didn't even go for his infrastructure proposals and we know what happened with repealing the ACA. What he got mostly accomplished was what rank and file Republicans already agreed on was judgeships and a big tax cut. The one big exception was with Criminal Justice Reform but there he was actually able to reach across the aisle.

Sanders will likely suffer that fate or more likely what happened to Bill Clinton with his health care bill. He won't be able to bring even his own party (especially since most of the time he hasn't been a Democrat) around. I don't see him moderating or seeking compromises like Obama since his own supporters will turn on him so he ends up with a relatively ineffectual presidency and continued frustration and anger in the country.

 

Bernie-Warren is the nightmare ticket, I agree. No disrespect to OP.

I’ll take Klobuchar or Biden please. This country would fall in love with President Amy. Easy two terms. Give me Cory Booker as VP for either

 

Seems silly to have this discussion before Super Tuesday.

Its going to be Bernie VS -insert moderate establishment candidate here- but we really have no idea who that is going to be.

Given the market odds and history on Buttigieg he doesn't look like a strong play. Gun to my head, my money is on Bloomberg.

 

Reasonable people are asking which candidate is the John Birch Society supporting?