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Kayman's wife: Yao vs. Amare

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Kayman, Mar 16, 2004.

  1. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

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    Was Cato still in the game? I thought his injury got worse and JVG decided not to play him any more after a point.
     
  2. topfive

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    Are you kidding?!? Cato would have missed!
     
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    Amare is an immature kid, jumping like a fool. That's not basketball, that is trash. He got no skills at all. We should not give him props for staying out of jail. Only shallow people would do that.
     
  4. J DIDDY

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    thank you. hey why dont we all give props to Shawn Kemp for making it in the NBA despite having to screw all those women and fathering all those kids, or the Blazers for winning games despite having to smoke all that weed.:rolleyes:
     
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    The only problem I had with the SF forearm is that Cato didn't get over to Amare fast enough to get Steve's back...

    Amare jabbed at SF twice, and you could see that SF wanted no part of it.
     
  6. Panda

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    Give me a freaking break, Amare, despite his dire conditions, was lucky to be born in the USA with basic needs guarenteed.Yao was born in China and didn't have much milk to drink growing up, if Yao was born in the States he would've grown to 7-8 350 lbs and swing Amare around like a fly swatter.
     
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    Cato was pissed off by Yao's doing nothing against Amare.
    So at that time ,he was so angry to give an elbow to Yao .

    Just a joke.:D
     
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    EXACTLY! That is why we need an enforcer!
     
  9. Zboy

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    Hmmm I dont know. I am not sure if he really deserves all that credit about making thru "adversities". I mean what exactly did he work hard at? He basically stayed out of trouble, which people should do, and played basketball. He never went to college. He cannot speak proper english. He lacks class and is disrespectful to his opponents on court and during interviews. He basically got paid millions of dollars for his God-gifted ability to run and jump. And i am supposed to feel sorry for him for that and applaud him? He is an exciting young player, but a role model to underpriviliged people, like he is made out to be, he is not.
     
  10. DavidS

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    I'm not asking you to feel anything. But you can't tell me what to feel, either.
    If I want to acknowledge someone's achievements, I can.

    P.S. Also, point out where I said "feel sorry." I said acknowledgment.

    Using the "adversity" as an excuse to fail is not the answer. But using "adversity" as an reason to work harder and succeed IS the answer. And, if you make it, under adverse conditions, then it's fine if you let others know how to you did it.

    If Amare does this, then he will be a role model to *some* kids, whether you accept him as one or not.
     
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    :( :( SO SAD, Amare's story is so touching.............NOT:rolleyes:
     
  12. Zboy

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    I didnt mean to ask anyone what to feel or not to feel. I am just curious to know how he really worked hard for his achievements. What exactly is his achievement? The fact that he stayed out of trouble until he was 18 so that he could make millions overnight once he gets in the NBA? Put it this way. If anyone as physically gifted as Amare would not realize that all he has to do is stay out of trouble, until he is about to hit 20s, to make millions, would be foolish. What I can give him credit for is realizing this and protecting his furture career.

    I find it hard to believe that if Amare goes around telling kids his story he will actually help them out in the long run. If you mean help them in terms of staying out of jail, not selling/buying drugs, and not murdering anyone, then I guess yeah, he could be one. But like someone said, that's setting the goals really low. He would be a better role model if he had done well in school, gone on to college, gotten his degree, and conducted himself well in public, AND played basketball in NBA. Now that would be a real achievement. And that also would be a true role model because the bitter fact is, most of these kids who worship him will try to emulate him. Most, if not all, will fail to make into the NBA. And by that time they will have no backup plan to fall on for their life.
     
  13. Zboy

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    Just for the record, I do not completely dismiss Amare's accomplisments. Yes, he should be credited for making it into the NBA. But his acievements to some people, including me, seem to be blown way out of proportion. Like I said, he would be regarded as an idiot for wasting his awesome talent, had he not made it into NBA.
     
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    Part of his advantge is his physical gifts, true. But remember, there are a lot of physically gifted kids that never make it. So, it's good that he took advantage of it. It's just that you make it seem he just joined the NBA without *any work.* Like if it was easy for him.

    I tell you what would have been "easier" ->>> Giving up, joining a gang, or becoming a drug user. That's the "easy way out (the lazy and stupid way)." It much harder to resist those influences.

    What's a low goal to you, might be a high goal to someone else. Not everyone can go to college and become a big time doctor or lawyer. Sure, you try to set your goals as high as you can. But, you have to start somewhere.

    It's all relative to each persons situation. That's why comparing ones "adversity" to another persons, is pointless. Everyone has their own story. Even Francis and Yao.
     
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    It was not easy for him. But how exactly was it so much harder than what some of the other NBA players might have had to endure? Its not like everyone else in the NBA comes from a rich suburban area. I am sure lots of other players have had to endure similar hardship. Yet, I do not see anyone else credited for this accomplishment like Amare does. Comes out as a double standard.

    If by ‘work’ you mean play basketball all his life, then yeah I would agree he ‘worked’ very hard. I guess we will have to disagree on the definition of ‘work’ in Amare’s case. To me he was smart and stayed out of trouble, that’s all.

    Think about this for a second. Let’s say you have a great talent of making superb artwork but your environment where you live at is horrendous. One day, I, Joe Billionare :p, walk into your life and tell you that, in 2 years I will be back to evaluate your work. I also tell you that based on future evaluation, I will hire you for $million+ a year. Now what would you do, even if your neighborhood is home of druglords, prostitutes, and gangsters? Common sense dictates that you would stay out of trouble for the sake of your future. If you manage to do that you will be credited for it, but should everyone cheer for you as if you achieved something monumental? Rather, if you succumb to your surroundings, then your loved ones will lament for you and your loss of a golden opportunity.



    How do we know what Amare’s real goals were?! What if he dreamt of being a doctor or an accountant when he was 12? Seems like we are setting goals for him.

    Last I checked all Americans have access to higher education. They don’t have to be a doctor or lawyer but it does not take super brains to get an Assosciate’s degree at the least. What’s sad is that we have people from countries like China, and India pouring in our country to get education, yet we are setting goals for our citizens to simply stay out of trouble? People from these countries come from a much harsher environment. I have personally seen these environements. Extreme poverty, no welfare, no medicare, high crime rates, no food on table on a daily basis. Yet, they persevere just so that one day they can be the lucky ones to come to America to get education. Now they have worked hard, yet we do not see them being applauded on TV. I wish they would, just so that they would inspire our kids in America. And perhaps then we would applaud kids for being good citizens instead of just staying out of jail.
     
  17. MFW2310

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    I think you are mistaking China with another country.
     
  18. Zboy

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    Yes I did. My bad. I meant India, Pakistan, and such. I cant seem to edit my original post.
     
  19. DavidS

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    More "my suffering" is worse than "your suffering?" Let's not compare Amare to world poverty. Please...I wasn't implying that.

    All I said, was that I acknowlege his achivements + his adversities. Put it this way, I wouldn't want to go through what he did as a kid. No matter how much money you paid me.
     
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    Well if we are going to look at adversities as only being able to make it thru the ghetto in this case (not sure why we have to throw out the other variables but anyways), then is Amare the only one to have come out of it? As I asked earlier, do the rest of the players in NBA come from very well-off families and a great environment? I highly doubt it. But we dont hear other people get the same spotlight as Amare does in this regard. That's where the double standard kicks in. Amare was credited for this. But why arent other players who have gone thru these situations credited too?

    As for the example, you missed the point. I wasnt asking you to go thru what Amare did for money. I was just trying to make the point that if you were put in that situation and in order to succed you have to stay out of trouble for a few years, then common sense would dictate that you would behave. Especially knowing that that success translates into millions of dollars.
     

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