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ClutchFans Game Thread: Suns @ Rockets 3/15/2004

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Mar 14, 2004.

  1. eugeneli

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    Agree!
    That guy is just r****ded.

     
  2. Dubious

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    Got home late from the overtime last night so I haven't read all the posts above but let share this:

    If you have a 3 point lead with 10.8 seconds left and the other team inbounds the ball inside the 3 point arc..foul them!
    They only get two shots then you get the ball to either run out the clock or shoot fouls shots to go back up by 3. You can't let them run out the clockand shoot the 3.

    Also, Shawn Marion is a hell of a good player. And what Jake Voskuhl was doing to Yao would be assault in most states and they called an offensive foul. Pitiful (like our offense when we can't get the ball to Yao)
     
  3. oliver_67

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    I don't understand why they ignored Yao until 4th quarter when they panicked and wanted Yao to bail them out.

    Yao scored 15 points on 100% shooting from the floor and the FT line along with 7-8 boards in the 4th. He was outstanding.

    I can understand that our guards became shot happy in the 1st quarter when the shots fell. But in the 2rd and 3rd quarters when the offense stalked, why did not we just go to Yao?

    The biggest problem in Houston is that the only truly unselfish player on the team happens to be the best player on the team!:mad:
     
  4. Rocket River

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    ok
    so they won . .. d*mn . . .

    This classification of players as THUGS etc
    it just wack
    He doesn't TALK LIKE *YOU* WANT HIM TOO
    He doesn't ACT LIKE *YOU* WANT HIM TOO
    He doesn't DO WHAT *YOU* WANT HIM Too

    you know what . it is ok . . .really it is
    doesn't make him a THUG

    Rocket River
     
  5. hotballa

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    There was an interetsing article in ESPN the Magazine about 3 or 4 years ago when Amare was just 15 turning 16, that you probbaly should try to read. It's quite interesting, and actually shows what kind of background Amare grew up in. Basically, a supposed family friend more or less shopped his services around to various prep schools. This guy grew up without a father figure, and was told from day one about how special he was as a basketball player. In my opinion, Amare's a great player but more along the lines of McDeyss who dpeends on athleticism to play, once his injuries become a persistent nagging problem, his lack of real developed skills will expose him. I think he will have a good career in the NBA cut short by injuires due to his style of play, but will have a few exceptional years where he really stands out. Will never be known as a "winner".
     
  6. Rocket River

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    Y. Ming 44 11-16 0-0 7-9 7 12 19 1 0 4 6 4 29
    J. Voskuhl 21 0-1 0-0 2-2 3 3 6 0 1 2 0 4 2


    Ming destroyed his man.



    J. Jackson 44 8-18 7-8 0-0 0 5 5 8 0 5 0 3 23
    S. Marion 53 10-23 4-6 5-5 2 6 8 2 2 1 3 2 29


    Jackson and Marion came to almost a draw
    [Marion heaved a bunch of shots i see]


    C. Mobley 49 7-20 3-9 3-4 2 7 9 6 0 4 0 5 20
    J. Johnson 49 6-13 1-3 6-6 4 3 7 7 1 3 0 3 19


    Another Draw [CAT Too many shots. . Too many 3]


    S. Francis 48 3-15 1-3 5-6 1 4 5 5 2 5 1 4 12
    L. Barbosa 33 5-11 3-6 1-1 0 6 6 5 5 2 0 5 14


    draw - Steve u have to do better
    Close out on those threes too


    K. Cato 23 1-3 0-0 1-2 0 2 2 2 0 0 2 4 3
    A. Stoudemire 51 7-26 0-0 10-17 8 7 15 0 2 2 4 5 24

    Cato destroyed.

    Amare basically countered Yao's production.
    slight advantages to Marion made the difference.

    Rocket River
     
  7. 3-a-charm

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    I only saw the fourth quarter and the OT. I was unaware of the 21 point lead. Wow, they blew a 21 point lead!!?:eek: I was really impressed with Ming's play. He was going really strong to the basket, and his drive to the rack for the monster dunk, that was special. JJ was lighting in up with clutch shots, and Cat's two late buckets and Francis' dunk were exciting. BUT, poor overall shooting of the guards, too much dribbling, and STUPID turnovers were killers. Just when you think the guards are turning the corner, well, they aren't.

    Give some credit to the Suns, they really played hard and smart. I would never guess their record from watching them. It seemed like they really wanted the game. The Rockets played hard too, but not as smart. Just think back to last year or early in the season, the Rockets were dull, boring, unwatchable. Win or lose, they have become quite entertaining.
     
  8. jacago

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    bdnguyen and MingRules have been tossed, for those who thought this behavior was "tolerated" at 3am while most of the admins are sleeping.
     
  10. ihatehyena

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    That's their nature.
    Usually after Rox gain a lead over 12, "guards will take over the game, but to either direction". I forget who said it before.
     
  11. Blatz

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    Every link says that. That's why I always say "*****Because of NBA restrictions you may need to log on at least 30 minutes before the game.*****" I didn't use it last night so I can't say if it worked or not but I have used that link a couple times this season and it worked fine.

    Was anyone able to use the Audio Link last night?
     
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    Why did Cat try to made a shot with 12 seconds left, 3 points lead advantage when we charged the ball???!!!

    Damn! "85-88 Cuttino Mobley missed 19 ft Jumper"

    Could anyone tell me the officiations. Why the hell did those refs present Stoudemire FT? When I checked the Play-By-Play, just read:

    Amare Stoudemire made Free Throw 1 of 2

    Amare Stoudemire miss Free Throw 2 of 2

    Amare Stoudemire made Free Throw 1 of 2.

    Amare Stoudemire made Free Throw 1 of 2.
    ... ... ...:mad:
     
  14. scotia

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    U made the point, my friend!:cool:
     
  15. scotia

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    Hopefully u r not on somebody's ignore list. But that's quote I have to quote. :p
     
  16. Tom Archer

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    Did anyone catch Amare's remarks about Yao? Something to the effec t of "he played ok, but got a lot of easy shots". This coming from a guy that shot about 5 for 20 and that included 3 or 4 dunks. :rolleyes:
     
  17. lyrix

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    OK, Guys, I know it must have been discussed in the previous pages, but I have to let it out...

    1. Our guards + JJ were stupid, I was actually worrying watching the 2nd half of first quarter even though we still had the lead at that time. The game began with a perfect inside out rhythm, then with 20 some points lead, our guards suddenly feel they were the god. They could still attack without Yao. And as usual after blowing out a huge lead, they fed it back to Yao and hoped he could take over and no more inside out game because our guards' hand are cold. I sincerely hope JVG kick their butt while watching the video for the next few days.

    2. JVG is plain stupid, to blow 20 points lead the first one I would blame is not our players but coach. It's his fault, when guards stopped feeding Yao the ball in the first quarter, he didn't change the situation, maybe because we still have the lead at that time, but that's just wrong. As for the terrible clock management, I want to give him the benefit of doubt of trying to coach bench players, practice the last second offense, he might not realize our players are still capable to blow such a lead, it's his fault.

    3. What's up with Padget ignoring Yao? There are at least three times with Yao one on one down low and he passed the rock back to guards? He's a good jump shooter, but he need to know some post moves or feeding the ball from high post to low. Pat needs to work more with others than with Yao.

    4. As much as I hate AS, I hope he keeps his attitude towards Yao, he might be one of the only few who can give Yao a chance for his Quad Double in the future.... :D
     
  18. oliver_67

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    Yep, Yao took 16 shots to get 29 and AS took 26 to get 24, and you call this a draw.

    Marion and Johnson killed us last night. Cat was 35% and took 20 shots to get his 20. He was outplayed by Johnson. SF3 was 3-15 for a godlike 20% from the floor, and was outplayed by Babosa.

    The only reason that we were still in the game in the 4th quarter was behind Yao's 15 points and 8 boards during that time span. Plain and simple.
     
  19. HillBoy

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    HooBoy! NEVER have I seen two witless players wearing the tag of "guard" play such an absolutely brainless, moronic game. It was as if Francis and Mobley were in some type of competition to see who could make the "Dumbass Play of the Game" for ESPN's SportCenter.

    OK, I've reached my limit with "The Franchise". Five years of his "act" have simply worn thin and I am now convinced that this team needs a major overhaul at the guard position in order to take the next step toward becoming a contending team. They simply won't make it with the 2 bozos thay are starting now.

    As things now stand, it's far too easy for opposing coaches to collapse their defenses about Yao and dare these two "brickheads" to play smart basketball to beat them. 90% of the time what you get is what transpired last night - horrible shooting, turnovers, pitiful passing and non-existent defense from these two boneheads. And WTF was that sequence at the end of regulation where Marion was allowed to get off a 3 point shot?

    As God is my witness, I have no answer for why Francis and Mobley continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over and over. These two would not be any dumber if you were to cut both of their heads off - TWICE. They are making the same mistakes today that they were making their rookie years. What's worse is that thanks to the pathetic, incompetent job that CD has done in acquring talent, JVG has no choice but the continue to play these 2. They KNOW that there's no one on the team that can replace them - at least this year - so there is no incentive for them to improve or even to learn from their mistakes.

    Night in, night out you watch them jack up bad shots or turn over the ball or drive right into the teeth of the zone or commit a stupid foul or get caught out of position on defense or never look to pass the ball and nothing happens. They're not benched nor are they even called out on their bad play so they just go on and on and on and on like a broken record. I reached my limit last night I when I screamed myself hoarse at their moronic play. Watching this team is not entertainment - it's an exercise in self-abuse.

    You are what you are and they are what we see: athletically talented but basketball clueless. This is why I continue to be nonimpressed about the "strides" they have allegedly made this season. Until, I see consistently good basketball ON THE COURT, I will remain skeptical about their chances for this season and beyond.
     
  20. jshen

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    This is bad loss. As usually, we start bashing.
    But I thought, It is not that bad.
    The DNP of talor and spoon really hurt us. Cato somehow didn't play whole forth court.
    The guards are too small and too easy to be traped. I think if taylor or cato is there, the situation will be different.
    The only thing I am disapointment about SF is not his low shooting, ( after all everyone have bad night, although he has a little too many) it is why he is quick and good ball dribbler, why he is so often traped on the backcourt?
     

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