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Legal Ruling: p*rnography Company found to exploit women

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Senator, Jan 3, 2020.

  1. Senator

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    https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50982051

    Can someone explain the mentality of a girl who knowingly commits sexual acts on camera as long as it's for overseas coutries?

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12297960

    Count me in as someone who counts p*rnography as something that needs a heavy sin tax as it's always been about exploitation and preying on vulnerable teenagers, or much higher age regulations. That being said, from a legal standpoint, is there a basis to awarding women millions who consent to filming p*rn as long as it's for overseas distribution?
     
  2. Space Ghost

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    I have a really hard time supporting anyone who actually believes their 'DVD' would never appear online.

    Sites like pornhub are the complicit ones. They allow anyone to distribute content on their network.

    As far as Im concerned, there is no 'innocent' if there is consent.
     
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  3. Senator

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    Reading through further:

    Case is based on these girls consenting to being videotaped for money... then finding fault not with that but the fact it was distributed domestically and online . Hopefully they use this victory to educate young women on the actual stupidity of what they did instead of how they were "tricked".
     
  4. Major

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    The case, theoretically, is about fraud. If the below is true - it's just the accusation from the lawsuit so I don't know what the counterarguments were - I have no problem with the ruling. If they used fake references and lied about their own release plans, that's just simple fraud.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/03/us/fraud-p*rn-california-12-million-award/index.html

    Instead, the women were mostly students who considered the defendants' solicitations to film a pornographic video only due to some immediate and pressing financial need, according to court documents. The lawsuit claims the defendants took "considerable, calculated steps to falsely assure prospective models that their videos will never be posted online, come to light in the United States, or be seen by anyone who might know them."

    The women were rushed into signing documents without reading them, and the defendants paid "references" hired to pose as previous models and deliver a script that would falsely convince the women that the experience was "safe and enjoyable" and that the videos had never been discovered nor circulated.

    Despite these promises, the lawsuit says the defendants published the videos to their website and many popular free services.
     
  5. HTM

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    Every time I watch one of those p*rn documentaries on Netflix or wherever the whole thing strikes me as depressing as hell. Same thing with strippers... usually poor girls from bad situations who don't really have any ability to earn (real) money any other way getting used up and spit out.... most don't make really serious money but even the ones that do generally don't have much financial sense/education and it's all gone fairly quickly. Alternatively their boyfriend/husband/whatever steals the money or the money is spent on a drug habit. It's all very sad and grody.

    Then they live with the stigma of being a "stripper" or "w****" or whatever for the rest of their lives though.
     
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    I agree with Major's analysis. The idea that these girls should've just known that any videos they made would get released worldwide everywhere while cynically might be true but that is still a pretty unethical way of conducting business and doesn't excuse fraud. That the business made representations to the "clients" that this material would be released only overseas is still on the business to live up to that representation. This would be if I bought a Rockets' jersey from some guy off of Craigslist and he advertised that it was an NBA authentic Rockets' jersey and showed me documentation saying it was. Now buying something off of Craigslist there is always Caveat Emptor but that still doesn't excuse the seller from falsely representing his product.
     
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  7. Senator

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    It's a slippery slope.
    You hire a hitman to take someone out for $5,000. He does the job, takes the money, signs a contract referencing other famous hitmen and then claims he was tricked into it once he's caught. Remember, the complaints only happened when they were caught by friends etc.
    If you read the actual docket or the quotes from the women since no one here likes actual documents, it muddies the water even more.

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/amate...r12775m-in-damages-for-exploiting-young-women
     
  8. Major

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    What's the slippery slope? The hitman still is criminally guilty of murder. You're still criminally guilty of hiring a hitman to commit murder. If you lied to the hitman about the terms, he has a civil claim against you for fraud.
     
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    I don't really see why this is so hard to understand.

    The girls entered into an agreement with certain conditions.

    The conditions were not met and the girls proved damages.

    It makes no difference if it was for p*rnography or baking a cake.
     
  10. jiggyfly

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    This analogy make no sense the hitman is guilty of murder point blank.

    The women are disputing the claims made by the defendants not the act of filming them.

    You seem no have no idea what the merits of the case are.
     
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    Slippery Slope!
     
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    apples to ....
     
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    Ball sacks...

    Apparently.
     
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    To clarify, I was trying to state there is a difference between someone who freely consents vs someone who is coerced into consenting. ie: sex trafficking.

    I have no problem with the ruling either. Personally, I think the producers are scum. But, like common knowledge these days, if you dont want your parts on display to the world, dont take a nudie with your face in it. Contracts and laws are not designed to ultimately prevent the said action. They are there to present an award/punishment should the contract be broken.
     
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  15. Senator

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    I'm happy the producers are bankrupt and going jail. I do, however, have an issue with girls being rewarded 500k for something they wanted to and consented to do, got caught, then played the victim over it. Give the money to an awareness program or charity.
     
  16. Senator

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    The conditions entered on the contract had nothing to do with what they "stated". You also have to see the complaints being - I was told 5k and only given 3k, I was told 7 minutes of each position and it went longer, etc. Things that are unfortunate, but solely intended to heighten the story of them as victims. They're being awarded 500k for being mad about being caught. I'd rather they learn accountability as "adults".
     
  17. Senator

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    The hitman is weaseling his way out of accountability even though he did the crime he is now ashamed of. He also signed a contract knowing he'd be murdering someone, then after it was done and he was caught, changes the story around to make him look like a victim. When you keep looking at jargon instead of the big picture of law helping humanity, the next producer will pop up, learn from these mistakes and the same merry go continues.
     
  18. Major

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    No he's not - he's still criminally guilty of murder. His civil suit against the guy who hired him doesn't change that. If anything, it makes it worse because he'd have to admit that he signed a contract to murder someone. And good luck convincing a jury to award damages for that. I see no reason to feel sorry for the guy who hired him being sued - he was stupid enough to hire a hitman and even more stupid to a sign a contract - and a fraudulent one at that.
     
  19. Space Ghost

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    im still laughing you got suckered into this hitman scenario.
     
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    Use less astroglide
     
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