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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    let's hope he picks Tulsi :D
     
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    Hahaha. Fat chance.

    My best guess at this moment is that he would pick Warren. Considering how obsessed the Democrat left is with "Political correctness" and their "Identity politics" hierarchy, it seems almost inconceivable that he would nominate a white male, regardless of his talent or his political attractiveness. A few months ago, Kamala Harris appeared to be the most likely choice based on these criteria. But she has wigged out so thoroughly during the early primary contest that it is hard to see how anyone could take her into serious consideration as a VP nominee.

    I am not really seeing anyone at this point who is more compelling than Warren, given the strange list of priorities that he is going to have to defer to in making this pick. If he wins the nomination, that is.
     
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    I think Warren is suicide. Palin-level suicide. He might win with Klobuchar
     
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    I don't think Biden knows who he would hypothetically pick.

    He has stated his preference to have representation from either a minority or a woman.

    He should strongly consider Bernie Sanders. That may appease enough Sanders voters and not scare off the moderates that are scared of Sanders/Warren and can know that Donald Trump is a corrupt snake oil salesman.

    An interesting ticket would be:

    Buttigieg/Abrams
     
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    The problem with Klobuchar is that she does not help with the more progressive voters.

    Biden already will get the moderate vote and the AA vote..... he needs someone that will help him get the more labor motivated voters in places like Wisconsin.
     
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    The hard left of his party will be shaken by his overture towards being open to selecting a Republican VP nominee. He will need to pick someone that they are comforted by, and I am not sure that Klobuchar will get that done.

    She would be an interesting pick, but her real value in my opinion would be as the Presidential candidate, not the VP. Her personality would be difficult for Trump to deal with in a head to head contest, I suspect. But as VP, he would not have to concern himself with her. As such, I am not sure that she makes as much sense in the number 2 role.
     
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    If Biden is telling the truth about being open to picking a Republican as his VP, then maybe he could try to draft Nikki Haley into action. She is both a minority and woman, after all. So that would be killing three birds with one stone.
     
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    You keep talking about identity politics as if it is the exclusive domain of the Democrats. There is no doubt that the Democrat party attempts to keep groups politically engaged and voting for them by having candidates that appeal to certain voting blocks. However, the Republicans do the exact same thing. Look no further than the current Vice President. Pence was selected because he is an evangelical extremist that helped fundamentalist Christians hold their nose and for Trump (who really doesn't give a damn about religion).

    Identity politics always has been a part of the landscape in US politics.
     
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    No. Pence was nominated because he was a conservative with major experience in government at both the state and national level, who was respected by the establishment wing of the Republican party and the grass roots of the Tea Party as well. A great many conservatives are Christian and virtually all of our Presidents have been too. Or at least they have claimed to be {cough...Obama...Cough}. You would have a pretty hard time finding very many of the top Republican leaders that are not. What is new is the degree to which the Democrat left is openly antagonistic towards Bible believing followers of Jesus Christ.

    Our values are based on Judeo-Christian ethics and most conservatives understand and respect that, regardless if they are themselves Christians or not. As you surely know, at the end of the day, people do not vote for the VP, they vote for the President. Christians voted for Trump, not because he was a Christian, or because VP Pence was a Christian, but because they knew they needed to back someone who could and would do the things that needed to be done to save our great country.

    Trump is our President, not our Pastor, in case there was any lingering confusion on that point. The Christians who voted for Trump pulled the lever for Trump with that in mind. We are no longer a Christian country - as of the last administration. That is when Christians realized that they are just another faction in our politics, who is only responsible for making the best choice possible about who will lead our secular government. This time around, that was determined to be Donald Trump.

    This periodic talk from some Democrat leftists about Christians seeking a "Theocracy" in this country is some of the most ridiculous nonsense that has ever come out of the mouths of these people. We had been something approaching a Christian country for over 200 years, prior to Obama, and NEVER where we EVER anything even remotely close to being a "Theocracy". If we were ever going to be a "Theocracy," it would have already happened, but obviously, it never did. So this line of baseless drivel that you seem to be promoting here is something that you should flush out of your mind, if you care anything about the facts or the truth.
     
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    Nope. Pence was in large part picked because he is an Evangelical Christian that helped ease concerns from the Religious Right.

    I never said anything about a Theocracy. It has nothing to do with a Theocracy and everything to do with firming up support from a voting block the Republicans needed to have to win the election.

    Both parties play identity politics all the time, and that is a large reason why both have existed for as long as they have. Over time, the particular groups under each umbrella change but the strategy stays the same.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that if it make you feel better, I guess. But the fact is that Trump was supported heavily by evangelicals during the primaries, well before there was any talk of Pence as VP, or of any VP.
     
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    There is no question that there are some Republican lawmakers that want to have some version of a theocracy.

    However, mostly the Republican party agrees to pursue positions that are important for fundamentalist Christians in exchange for their support at the polls. The Democrats do the same thing with different groups. The Democrats and Republicans are both cobbled together groups/interests with the purpose of winning elections.

    That is why the idea that identity politics is the solo domain of the Democrats is false.
     
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    I'd vote for him if he selects Palin.
     
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    What about Liz Cheney?
     
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    Biden isn’t going to choose a Republican running mate. Especially with all of this one-term only talk.

    The base would (and should) riot if he actually did something this foolish.
     
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    What if Biden chose Colin Powell. Would you still feel that way?
     
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    Yes. He’s 82 years old, has ties to a deeply unpopular President and his support for the Iraq War would be used as a negative.

    Not a bad example, though. It’s hard to imagine who would even be on his short list if he seriously tried to pick a Republican. Kasich, maybe, to try to make a play for Ohio?

    It’s not going to happen, though. The VP pick should do one of two things (both in a perfect world): satisfy the progressive wing or engage the Obama Coalition. Biden picking a Republican running mate doesn’t do either of these things, and it’s not like GOP voters are going to be moved by the gesture.
     
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    on a different note . . . what the various Democratic candidates' proposals would cost:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...8a74e0-28c6-11ea-a14c-412f7b9e2717_story.html

    summarized at PowerLine:

    The price tag for Sanders’s agenda tops $51 trillion over ten years, according to the Post. Warren’s agenda comes in at more than $30 trillion. Pete Buttigieg and Joe Biden, alleged “moderates,” would spend $6.5 trillion and $4.1 trillion, respectively, in the broad categories of health care, housing, the environment, criminal justice, education, child care and other anti-poverty initiatives alone.

    Further down the food chain, the picture is similar. For example, Andrew Yang’s universal basic income of $12,000 per year for every American adult would cost around $24 trillion over 10 years, according to the candidate’s own estimates. Yang also wants to hand out $100 to induce Americans to vote.

    And let’s not forget the reparations favored by several Democratic candidates, including Warren (but not Sanders). The cost of this pure handout is not included in the $30 million-plus price tag for Warren’s agenda.

    Are Democratic voters on board with the massive amounts of new spending? It looks that way. The Post cites a NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released this month. It found that 56 percent of Democratic primary voters prefer candidates who propose “large scale policies that cost more” compared with 38 percent who like candidates pitching less-expensive policies that would bring less change but potentially be easier to pass into law. ​


     

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