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Kerry = Extreme Liberal

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. gifford1967

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    De nada
     
  2. mc mark

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    seriously! And I thought Fleischer was good with the newsspeak.

    :eek:
     
  3. Jeff

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    If a racist is someone who believes a certain race is inferior, what do you call someone who considers a conservative/liberal inferior?

    :)
     
  4. B-Bob

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    A partiest? "I'm the partiest dude, like, in the whole party."
    A partist? Makes me think of Alfalfa from Our Gang.
     
  5. rimrocker

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    partyist?

    political philosophyist?

    Anti-dentite?
     
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    A dumbass?

    A partisan.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    A D&D Poster, naturally.
     
  8. ima_drummer2k

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    A Contributing Member?
     
  9. rimrocker

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    If an extreme liberal means being in favor of all the votes counting and having a paper trail for electronic ballots, then I think most people would qualify...

    (...and for all you ditto heads who think Kerry should apologize for saying Bush stole the election and for having other people say it... get over it already.)
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    Kerry promises vigilance at polls

    By Brian E. Crowley, Palm Beach Post Political Editor
    Tuesday, March 9, 2004



    WEST PALM BEACH -- John Kerry said Monday he is ready to go to court -- even before the November election -- to ensure that he does not lose Florida's 27 electoral votes because of ballot problems.

    And he directly accused Republicans of stealing the 2000 election for George W. Bush in a contest that was finally settled by the U.S. Supreme Court, giving the president a 537-vote victory.

    "What can you do to prevent them from stealing the election again?" Kerry asked a crowd of hundreds at the Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in Hollywood, his first stop in a three-city Florida campaign swing Monday.

    "We're going to pre-check it, we're going to have the legal team in place," said Kerry, who expected to easily win today's Florida presidential primary. "We're going to take injunctions where necessary ahead of time. We'll pre-challenge if necessary."

    From Hollywood, the Massachusetts senator headed to West Palm Beach, where he spoke to hundreds more supporters in front of the city library on Clematis Street. But before getting to West Palm Beach, Kerry made an unscheduled stop at Poppies, a suburban Delray Beach deli where he mingled with the lunch crowd. His third scheduled stop was a night visit to the Ybor City area of Tampa.

    Palm Beach County was the flash point in the 2000 election where the now infamous "hanging chads" led to a 37-day legal battle over the counting of Florida's votes. Vice President Al Gore argued that thousands of votes for him were not counted. He also argued that the design of Palm Beach County's ballot was confusing and led to some votes for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan that were intended for Gore.

    Two years later, Floridians were embarrassed once again when there were serious problems with voting in the Democratic primary for governor. In Broward and Miami-Dade counties, polls opened late and closed too early, voters were sent to the wrong precincts, and some electronic voting machines were unable to record the vote. It took a week before Bill McBride was declared the winner over Janet Reno. But recounts trimmed his lead from more than 8,000 votes to just over 4,000.

    With that history and a strong distrust of Florida's GOP leadership, Democrats say they will do more than keep a watchful eye on this election.

    "I'm often asked how it feels to run for the highest office in the land," Kerry said. "I don't have a clue. I'm not running for secretary of state of Florida."

    Democratic crowds roared at the reminder of former Secretary of State Katherine Harris, who gave the initial order to stop the recounting of votes in 2000. Harris is now a Sarasota-area Congresswoman.

    "I don't think we ought to have any vote cast in America that cannot be traced and properly recounted," Kerry said. "I intend to ask this legal team to do that, and we will identify those districts where people have had trouble voting in the past."

    Standing in front of a "Florida is Kerry Country" banner with oranges replacing the "o," Kerry was introduced to the crowd by West Palm Beach Mayor Lois Frankel, U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler of Boca Raton and U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida.

    "In Palm Beach County we take elections personally," Frankel said. "Four years ago when we cast our votes, our votes were dismissed, which means we were dismissed."

    Wexler was even more blunt, saying the president and his brother, Gov. Jeb Bush, "stole the election."

    With the Democratic presidential nomination all but locked -- longshot candidates Al Sharpton of New York and Ohio Congressman Dennis Kucinich are the only other active candidates of the nine listed on today's ballot -- Kerry also concentrated his fire on the president.

    He called Bush "the great divider" who has taken care of the rich at the expense of the poor and middle class, failed to provide prescription drugs for seniors, went into Iraq without a plan for peace and has done little to help Americans find jobs.

    One woman in Hollywood asked Kerry if he could "be mean enough to take on Bush." As the crowd cheered the woman's question, Kerry said, "I don't think you have to be mean. I think you have to be tough and know how to fight."

    Kerry, however, probably cannot clinch the nomination even if he wins all of today's four primaries. Florida, Texas, Louisiana and Mississippi are having primaries today, for a total of 546 delegates, including Florida's 201.

    According to an Associated Press analysis of delegates, Kerry has an estimated 1,558 delegates. Even if he wins all 546 delegates today, he would have only 2,104, just a few short of the 2,162 needed to officially become the Democratic nominee.

    Kerry is likely to claim the nomination on March 16, when Illinois holds its primary with 186 delegates at stake. Accordingly, he planned to head for Chicago today after spending the night in Tampa.
     
  10. Fegwu

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    So much for the straight shooting white house myth :rolleyes:


    I never new it was this hard to say YES or NO.


    My God has revealed to me that nightmare (George W. Bush's administration) WILL come to an end this November. Then we will know if me and Pat Robertson serve the same God (since he stated otherwise last month). I serve Jehova - Pat's God (or god) is still unknown.
     
  11. krosfyah

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    Nobody said BigTexx's comments were racist. But is was certainly a "race based" comment. <Conservatives love that phrase> Conservatives always jump on the color-blind society bit and this comment is one tiny shred of evidence that a color-blind society is basically impossible. Everybody notices.

    Conservatives hate when liberals try to inject race into a debate. They cry foul. Because it almost never works to their advantage...so they are trying to eliminate race as a variable so they can just ignore the subject <when it suits them>.

    But Bush was super quick to have as many blacks as possible at the 2000 convention. There was an 86% increase of black delegates than the previous election. There were boat loads of black entertainers and speakers...more than ever before. Hmm...color blind, huh? Yea right.
     
  12. krosfyah

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    Guess what? Liberal isn't a bad word.

    "Deliver us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism"

    So Sean Hannity equates terrorism w/ liberalism? What as ass.

    Making such a claim is among the most unAmerican sentiments you can make. This county was built on a two party system and Sean Hannity wants to abolish it like terrorism?

    Again, conservatists are the first to waive the flag of what this country was built on...when it suits them...but simultaneously spouting such hatred. If he were successful at his fight to kill liberalism, the foundation of this country would be washed away.

    But hey, it sells books. Anything for capitalism...even if it undermines our country.
     
  13. rimrocker

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    Methinks they doth protest too much...
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    Kerry Says He Won't Apologize
    On Hill, Republicans Assail Remark

    By Charles Babington
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Friday, March 12, 2004; Page A04


    Top Republicans tried yesterday to spoil Sen. John F. Kerry's return to Congress as the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, bitterly attacking his off-microphone remark in which he called Republicans a "crooked . . . lying group."

    But the Massachusetts senator, surrounded by cheering colleagues, rejected their demands for an apology and fired back at what he termed "a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people."

    The sharp exchanges -- which coincided with a new Bush-Cheney campaign ad hitting Kerry's tax proposals -- overshadowed both parties' comments about policies and agendas and added further invective to a presidential contest already marked by an unusual number of personal attacks eight months before Election Day.

    The day's events left little doubt that congressional Republicans are coordinating their messages with the White House and the Bush-Cheney campaign. Kerry hopes for similar synchronization with his congressional allies, and House and Senate Democrats have begun to assemble teams to go on TV and radio to defend Kerry in their areas of expertise.

    The contretemps started Wednesday in Chicago, where, as Kerry shook hands with factory workers after a speech, a boom microphone for National Public Radio captured him referring to unspecified Republicans as "the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen."

    Kerry ignored the Republican National Committee's quick demand for an apology, and a Kerry campaign spokeswoman suggested his remarks had been aimed at a four-year-old "Republican attack machine." But GOP congressional leaders were determined to keep the issue alive yesterday, scheduling news conferences to criticize Kerry as he met elsewhere in the Capitol with Democratic colleagues.

    First up was House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.), who noted that Kerry made the comments "in my home state." He told reporters: "I am one of those Republicans in Illinois. If he wants to describe me as being crooked and a liar, I think he will have his comeuppance coming." Hastert added that "I am not telling a lie" when talking of Kerry's proposal to roll back some of President Bush's tax cuts, which Republicans label a tax increase.

    He then joined Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) at a table full of other GOP congressional leaders who bashed Kerry on several fronts for 30 minutes, often reading from detailed memos.

    Frist said the Republicans' budget plan would make "the president's tax relief permanent," while "the Democrat nominee, a colleague of ours, . . . would be taking $900 billion out of the pockets of middle-class America." The $900 billion assertion -- which the Kerry campaign says is bogus -- echoed claims in the new Bush TV ad.

    House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) called on Kerry "to show his clout and effectiveness" by delivering two more Senate votes for a stalled GOP-drafted energy bill, which Kerry opposes. Saying the bill would create jobs and lower fuel costs, DeLay said Kerry "could bring a nasty and partisan Democrat Party into the American mainstream."

    Sen. Rick Santorum (Pa.), chairman of the Republican Conference, called on Kerry to apologize for his off-microphone comment, which he said was "outside the bounds of where people who want to hold the highest office of this country . . . should be making."

    Kerry would have none of it. After separate meetings with House Democrats, black lawmakers, Hispanic lawmakers and Senate Democrats, he told reporters: "I have no intention whatsoever of apologizing for my remarks. . . . I haven't said anything that's incorrect about them, and they've said lots of things that are incorrect."

    He cited Bush's ads against Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the 2000 presidential primary, and GOP ads that helped oust Sen. Max Cleland (D-Ga.) in 2002. Both men, like Kerry, are decorated Vietnam War veterans. "There is a Republican attack squad that specializes in trying to destroy people and be negative," Kerry said. "I think the president needs to talk about the real priorities of our country."

    In yesterday's morning meeting with House Democrats at the Library of Congress, Kerry tried to reassure southern lawmakers that he will not hurt them in their districts, where social issues such as gun rights often benefit Republicans.

    "I understand the culture of guns," Kerry said, noting that he is a hunter and former prosecutor, according to a participant who took notes.

    During his busy day, Kerry met privately in the Capitol with defeated rival Sen. John Edwards (N.C.) and later attended a reception Edwards held for about 100 of his top fundraisers. Edwards urged his donors to get behind Kerry, the party's presumptive nominee, and help him reach his goal of raising $80 million between now and the Democratic National Convention in July.
     
  14. KingCheetah

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    Kerry seems to have hit a nerve ...
     

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