Should parents make permanent decisions over prepubescent children's gender?

Parents have a choice. You can do something for your child's health, or you can opt not to for your beliefs. No reason to take that choice away from them.


Next thing you know, people will be claiming parents shouldn't be able to vaccinate their kids.

 

The health benefits are relatively small, it’s just essentially the penis being slightly more convientent to clean, the risk can be major including death from infection, even without complications you are causing severe nerve damage.

Not doing child mutilation due to belief is a backwards comment, people mutilate their children DUE to beliefs, it’s a whacky religious thing that stemmed from a tradition that included men sucking babies penises.

Comparing banning child mutilation to banning vaccines ... lol.

 

Pretty much.

It's a choice for the parents to make...and even then they can't go through with it without a doctor's permission and this isn't given easily. It's not like some overnight decision is made, these decisions take years in the making, for the child, parents, and doctor.

To me, it is an individual rights question, either you are for the rights of the individual, or you are not. Not much is wrong with how we do it now. Trans people are extremely rare, less than 1%, the people that regret transitioning are even rarer.

So really this question probably affects such a small number of people why are we taking rights away from them again? As long as their decision doesn't affect others I don't see why I'd want to get in the middle of it...unless I have some beliefs of my own that I want to enforce upon them...

The child, the parents, and doctor say they should go through with it, fine, most trans people do not regret transitioning. Around 90% for transmen and 95% for Transwomen.

So we'd be punishing trans people as a whole for the regrets of their own minority.

It would be like getting rid of vaccinations because of the risks that affect a minority of the vaccinated.

 

Working in the medical field, I'm well aware of the risks versus benefits.


You ever see a grown man have complications with an uncircumcised unit? It can range from rough to potentially life threatening as well. I've watched man die, over the course of a year and a half, largely because he wasn't circumcised.

I have the right to choose that for my child. No way someone should take that away from me.

The potential mishaps of circumcision are far lesser than what could happen if you don't get done. Both are relatively small, though.

You can believe in not doing it if you want, and I can believe in doing it. No one should take that away from either of us, though.

I strongly disagree with any sucking of baby penises by grown men, as well.

 

I largely agree with not taking rights from people.


I just think you have to draw a line when early is too early, and I don't know if you can make a hard line. I think, as you said, having a net of people to help with the decision is probably best. If any one person is not in agreement, it's a no go.

 

You guys remember when Mrs. Obama wanted to give kids healthy food for lunches in cafeterias? Something like that, I don't remember the specifics...

You guys remember the outrage it drew from people that she shouldn't decide what their kids eat?

What's the difference here? Parents directly decide the diet of their kids, a HUGE decision, because it affects the health of their kids future. Some kids start off fat, risk for diabetes, among other issues...and when Obama tried to help with that problem, outrage.

People made it VERY clear...if they want to feed their children a steady diet of cheeseburgers and fried chicken everyday and donuts for breakfast that is their right to do it...and I agree with them. Education is the answer here, not the government. There is a reason why USA has an issue with child obesity and other countries do not.

And oh yeah, this is a bigger problem then 0.1% of the population regretting their hormone therapy. This affects millions of kids who are ruined because the food their parents give them isn't healthy, ruined by their parents decisions...

 

100% agree, there is a line, that's why I think we should just leave it to the parents and doctors.

A doctor could tell the parents that hey, the kid is seven, let's just see where he or she is at around 11 and go from there.

Of course the parents could be persistent, push it, go to other doctors...but we can't govern bad parenting.

 

we can govern them chopping off their kids dicks tho.

 

I have no idea what you are referring to.

 

None of my or your business.

DD

 

Are those stats based upon full-grown adults who made the decision? Did the study take into account those who may have wanted it as a youth, but then decided not to as an adult? We are talking about a life-altering decision that is not really reversible.

 

I'm uncomfortable with both answers here and I can be honest about it.

As a traditional conservative I'm uncomfortable with the state making/blocking medical decisions for people and their kids.

On the other hand, I seriously struggle with the idea that a child understands the gravity of a gender change. I don't know how to process these situations really. If it's real, then forcing this child to endure childhood as the "wrong gender" is probably scarring. If it's not real and just childhood issues then a gender change is also scarring.

 

Agreed. I believe there is no way that a child understands the gravity of that decision. There is also no way that most of us can understand the problems of whatever gender struggles a child might face. I'm at a loss.

 

Yes, that particular stat is about SRS, sex reassignment surgery, I think some here are confused about what it means to transition.

SRS is the last step for trans people, not the first, some never take it. I don't think there is a single case of a child having SRS under the permission of a doctor, or if there is, it's probably a one-off case...and I'm sure it would already be a story.

There is stat for kids and it is even less common than regrets about SRS...
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/22/1800...tion-detransition-puberty-blocking-medication

So, what we have are issues affecting a community that is less than 1% and 1.9% of that community having regrets for hormone therapy. Which, is really not that big of a deal as people make it, you have to get approved for blockers first and then later take the opposite hormones...

I think people are confused about what it means to transition and how long this process takes and some people think transitioning means chopping off genitals when it simply does not. It's a long process that happens for someone, first they have to mentally accept it, then they have to convince their parents and doctors of it JUST to get hormone blockers that are reversible.

 

Had a knife taken to my dick at a day old and have no regrets. Did the same to my son.

Have a relative that didn’t have it done at birth, at 16 he went to the doctor on his own and asked it be done.

I wouldn’t really compare circumcision to permanent gender reassignment decisions but you do you.

 

Circumcision is the American way!

 

Its a little easier to have it done than undone, no?

 

They don't do anything until a kid is past 10 years old and the first thing is hormone treatment only because once a kid goes through puberty it can be very traumatic for a transgender person. Surgery is done post puberty to make sure. So I am not sure what you are arguing about.

This person wasn't forced into the drag scene by the way.

 

Like Vaccines? If a parent doesn't want to Vaccinate their kid that is cool too?

Someone said that the this could be the new Munchausen by Proxy

Rocket River

 

I don't think we should be. Kids would really best be viewed as genderless, IMO and let them grow up to be what they are going to be.