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Dreamcasting For Ray Allen, Rasheed Wallace

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deuce, Mar 2, 2004.

  1. sonique15

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    ur trade actually seems to make sense.....suprisin since most of the trades posted have some major loophole......but instead od snow, how about we get ridnour......young pg who can pass and shoot the hell out of the ball.....
     
  2. pasox2

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    I like a lot of things here. Good job, Duece.

    I think I've posted some variations on several of these moves elswhere; but all in all I think you've thought it through very well.


    I'd like Ray Allen

    I'd like to send SF3 to Chicago, and use Curry + TE + Crawford?for Allen

    I want Brent Barry. He teams nicely with Allen.

    I'd like a 4 that can shoot. I like Vladimir Radmonovic. I'd take an unspectacular but adequate Vitaly Potepenko in order to get Vlad. and Richie Frahm in exchange for Mo T.

    I'd like to get a big 3 that can rebound and move the ball - targeting Donyell Marshall + Alvin Williams for Cato or Matt Harpring + R. Lopez + resigned Ostertag, for Cato and Cat.

    I'd use Cat to improve the team in trade, unless he's ok playing behind Allen and Barry.

    So exchange SF3, Cat, Taylor and Cato, plus the TE, for team guys that pass and play with Yao.


    Possible? Something along those lines is possible.

    Yao
    Radmonovic - good shooter
    Harpring - good shooter, worker
    Allen - shooter, second star
    Barry - shooter, pg

    you'd also have Ostertag, Potepenko, JJ, AG, Boki, Lopez, Frahm, and maybe a Tmo or another point.

    JVG would have to teach them to play defense (prolly a zone), but man, they could shoot.
     
  3. Life2Def

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    Jamaal Crawford? Seriously some of you need to actually watch some of the players you ask for. Crawford is really talented and sometimes fun to watch, but he has the ball hog rep that Steve has and the shot selection of Cuttino Mobley(even though Cat improved somewhat in this department this season.
     
  4. PhiSlammaJamma

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    You're going to break up a championship team :0 wow!
     
  5. JoeBarelyCares

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    Well thought out. Thanks, Deuce.

    I would think Seattle might consider Francis for Allen straight up. First, they would fill a need, in getting a PG, and relieve a glut at SG. Francis/Flip/Rashard would be a nice lineup. Francis is a little younger (fresher?). Additionally, Allen's free agency is impending, which reduces a player's trade value, unless they are pure fodder/cap relief.

    But how would Francis feel being traded so close to Vancover? Would this scare Seattle off?
     
  6. gucci888

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    Funny you say that, because in fact I do watch most of the players I ask for. I bought League Pass to watch the Rockets, and I suprisingly find myself watching most of the games no matter who is playing (except for S.A., Mavs, and Lakers).

    If you were on the Bulls, wouldn't you be a ball hog too? Curry and Chandler couldn't put the ball in the basket for their life. They have absolutely no shooters, except for Heinrich, and he's a rookie.

    Crawford is a tall PG that has range. He rebounds average for a PG and would probably be averaging a lot more assists if he wasn't surrounded by non-shooters.

    The guy has game and would be nice in a Rockets uni.
     
  7. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Deuce,

    I like all of the deals except Cato for Snow. I would just keep Cato as the backup center and play a Mobley, Allen, Jackson set, with Jackson as the point forward (though they can all handle the ball well enough to get it up court and into Yao).
     
  8. Isabelle

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    good idea! But hard to come true(except you are the boss;) )
     
  9. tierre_brown

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    It's sort of like the argument that was used pro-Francis in the early years, before Yao.
     
  10. haven

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    Very good posts. Just a couple of comments.

    1. I know I'm piling on, but I want no part of Eric Snow. The key to a post-oriented offense is that you must have shooters. Snow shoots terribly. He's also already declining with a lengthy contract.

    2. Seattle is not getting screwed as badly as most people here think. The thing is, their risk is higher than anybody else's... but their potential reward is good. In Allen, they tradeaway an excellent shooting guard who isn't quite elite. They get a PF with real offensive skills... and a young C who could actually be elite. Personally, I don't think Curry will be great. I think he's a modified bust. But this is the "sell" of this trade - Houston and Chicago would probably do it in a flash. Seattle would have to make a gamble. I wouldn't do it - but it's not absurd.

    3. Rasheed Wallace needs too much of the ball. I want a spot-shooting PF who doesn't rebound poorly beside Yao (a Horace Grant type, really). Carloz Boozer would be ideal, but there are others that would work.
     
  11. sonique15

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    would u be willin to take that risk on a player who playz exactly like SF? bad team or not?
     
  12. gucci888

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    Who says he plays exactly like SF? Jamal's biggest difference from SF is that he is a great spot up shooter, he can catch and shoot with the best of them.

    Steve needs to create shots for himself, very seldom does he catch and shoot, because thats not his style, he needs to create on his own.
     
  13. Desert Scar

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    Crawford is a career 40% & 34% FG and 3 shooter. We are not talking Ray Allen/Reggie Miller here. We very much are in the jump shooting caliber of Mobley and Francis, good NBA shooters (though both SF and JC are off this year) but far from elite shooters.
     
  14. Desert Scar

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    The upside to Crawfor is he is 23 (soon to be 24). There is a good chance his shot slection or shooting touch improves. If all you get is the JC of today, yeah, that isn't much of an impact player.
     
  15. leebigez

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    Why not think big and go after McGrady who will be on the trading block because he will not resign after next season. Send Mobley anywhere and try to sign McInnis or trade for him possibly evenm to Orlando for with his homeboy Francis .
     
  16. dragonsnake

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    I always think Jalen Rose is a perfect fit in JVG's system. I wonder if we can trade Taylor or Cato and Cap Filler for him this summer. He is a tough minded SF that can defend, dish, and score. He is also playoff tested.
     
  17. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    McGrady would be tremendous on the Rockets. That would be a home run as far as we are concerned.

    I think with McGrady though, I dont think you can get him this summer. I think he might be available before the trading deadline next season.

    Talk about pressure...the Magic have ONE summer to surround McGrady with a decent team and show progress. If that does not happen this offseason then McGrady will opt out for sure next summer and the Magic will RISK losing McGrady for NOTHING much like they did with Shaq. That would set that franchise back a long way.

    If the Magic can't get a team together before the trading deadline next season then there will be pressure for them to trade McGrady.

    I personally would be surprised if we hold onto our main assets (Francis, Mobley) until then. I think some moves will be made this summer.
     
  18. Deuce

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    Fair points. The Snow deal was more of a solution to sure up the PG spot but I would be just as happy to perhaps throw the MLE at Brent Barry. He is buds with Ray Allen anyway. I agree that our PG in this system has to hit the outside shot. So perhaps you are right, Snow is not the ideal candidate. Snow would be a solid veteran and provide decent defense but perhaps the shot would kill him in our offense.



    Haven, your make good points there. You are right, it is a risk for them. I guess I look at the Sonics and say to myself, they have lots of guards and no big guys. Allen might leave after next season. Why not get something for him now? There aren't a lot of SOLID bigs available that one could obtain for a smaller guard. The only way to do that is to go after a 'prospect', someone with upside but is not quite there yet. I think in the West you have to have a solid big and while I agree Curry COULD be a bust, he has shown flashes of good play and he can run the floor. I think it is a risk that the Sonics can take and it gives them a solid low post guy to free up their swingmen. I think it would be more of a gamble for Seattle if they didn't have young guards like Murry and Ridnour there to take Allen's place.



    Agreed. I think EVERYONE would agree that Boozer would be the perfect compliment to Yao. Of course so would Elton Brand. I guess with Rasheed Wallace, I see the best possible PF talent available this summer. And Wallace brings a lot to the team in terms of stretching defenses with his outside shooting and he can play the post inside. You better believe on this team JVG would not have Wallace always camped out on the 3pt line. He would play a lot of post as well, especially in giving Yao a breather.

    Other than Wallace, who this summer is an UNrestricted FA PF that is available that we should target? Is there any? I dont know. I think we may have to solve this position problem via a trade and that's why I mentioned Rasheed Wallace.
     
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    Dampier is the rebounding and defensive big man that we could use as well. I would also like to get him but don't see what we could give GS (unless a 3-way went down).

    Maybe we do a Steve trade to get Allen, sign Barry, and do a 3-way to trade Cat so we can get Dampier.

    Barry, Allen, JJ, Dampier, and Yao looks pretty solid to me.
     
  20. dragonsnake

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    PF that would be available in the summer

    KMart can excel in PF position in Rockets.
    Scott Williams will be very good backup F-C to complement Yao if we could get him.
    Kurt Thomas probaly will sign extension with Knicks so he may be off the market.
    Antonio Mydyecess may sign with nets.
    Tom Googs cannot play any more.
    Tony Kukoc
    Marcus Fizer
    Medevenco from Lakers (cannot not spell his name)

    That's all I can get.
     

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