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Children of US troops born overseas -> not citizen

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Amiga, Aug 28, 2019.

  1. rocketsjudoka

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    It wouldn’t surprise me if this had been initiated as a swipe at John McCain.
     
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  2. pirc1

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    Trump loves the military right? Actually he only loves those expensive hardware, he could care less about the service men(women).
     
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    Yeah that's some bs if a child of a US citizen is getting screwed. That's a US citizen getting f***ed over.
     
  4. pirc1

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    What do you think is the reason for doing this?
     
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  5. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    My extended family ALSO includes one of the 100!! (She was born in England, while parents served.) In a nation of 300 million, what are the odds???
     
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  6. Realjad

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    Except she wouldn't have been one of the 100--though I don't truly know that because I'm assuming her parents were US born citizens, or naturalized citizens that met the minimum residency in america.

    Also, John McCain would still have been a US citizens due to his dad being born and raised in Iowa.. Although it's my personal opinion the US would have been better without that scumbag
     
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  7. ROXTXIA

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    Do you really want the poster to brandish what he pulled out of his a$$?
     
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  8. JuanValdez

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    There is a difference between getting your citizenship jus soli, which is explicitly guaranteed by the US Constitution, and getting it by jus sanguinis or naturalization which is only provided for by law. To @Realjad's point, in most cases those impacted by this change would still be able to get the citizenship, but they would do so under the law instead of under the Constitution. One wouldn't want their right, say, to own a gun to be guaranteed merely by the law, but by the Constitution. So the change would be an administrative action that reduces a Constitutional right. That's sensitive territory even when it has no practical effect. But it could have a practical effect because the laws around jus sanguinis citizenship can be changed, knocking out the other leg that US citizens born abroad stand upon. So I don't think it's an over-reaction at all, even if we lose no citizens by it in the immediate future.
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"
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    Curious: exactly when did you decide John McCain (May he RIP) was a “scumbag”? When he chose Palin as a running mate? Or, maybe, the first time he criticized The Donald?
     
  10. dachuda86

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    More than likely it could be an oversight.
     
  11. Realjad

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    My dislike for McCain started in the 90's when he was trying to ban MMA for $$. Most moves he has made since then have been pretty anti-american or scumbaggy which has only strengthed my disdain over time. So yeah, the 90's he showed he will freely speak out and fight for issues in which he has zero knowledge on the subject matter nor any desire to learn as long as his stance serves to benefit him.. that trend remained true through his career. Look at Palin as a minor example since you mentioned her- he had no problem putting someone like her in position to lead the nation if he became president and something happend to him. He cared about the physical facade that could benefit him, even though he surely knew it would not have been a benefit to the nation.

    I'd have no problem even calling him a traitor tbh. People act like his military career excludes him from that term which is nonsense. Benedict Arnold himself was what you could regard as a 'hero', Arnold risked his life to accomplish many amazing things for America- a general, wounded in battle multiple times... and yet in the end he still turned on his country for money and women-- things that benefit himself.
     
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    45 Doesn't have a patriotic bone in his body he hates America.
     
  13. JuanValdez

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    I'm still not sure what you think he did that was treason. Are you saying being self-serving in his Senate career was akin to treason?
     
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    Maybe traitor to the Republican Party is what was meant. I don't see how he has been anymore self serving and near treasonous, in that sense of not putting the country first, than most of the senate.
     
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    How could this be an oversight?
     
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    So if you have an issue with McCain about these things you must really hate Trump.

    Right?
     
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    Not sure yet. Thoughts on why they did this?
     
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    It can't possibly be an oversight it's a written policy.

    Don't know why but it's a deliberate act.
     
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    the right hates everything that has to do with the outside world
     
  20. JuanValdez

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    My assumption is that it is a small reform on the roadmap to more tightly circumscribe who can become an American citizen because they think citizenships are handed out too cheaply. Maybe if, say, an American soldier marries a Japanese woman and has a child at the military base in Japan, but then they divorce and the child grows up Japanese -- they wouldn't want that kid coming later and saying he's an American by birthright. I'm sure Puerto Rican citizenship is also on the roadmap, and maybe the residency requirements for claiming citizenship by parentage or the hoops for naturalization. They want to make citizenship more tightly held in all the ways they can think of. I'm sure they'd love to do something about that 14th amendment -- they already tried to argue it shouldn't count for the children of illegal aliens -- but that's a tough one.
     
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