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Interesting stats rocks have 2nd best fg and 2nd worst in nba

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by forenzi, Feb 25, 2004.

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  1. forenzi

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  2. Charvo

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    Look at Elton Brand. He's #5 while his teammate Quentin Richardson is #99.

    The difference is the Clippers aren't even contending for a playoff spot.
     
  3. Charvo

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    I'd like to see the Rockets get at least 2 within the top 50 before I consider the team competitive in the West.
     
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    Woohoo! We do have 2: Yao and Mo Taylor.

    Btw, when I looked at it, Yao was #3, with Shaq and Nene ahead of him.
     
  5. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Theres nothing ironic about it, its expected.
     
  6. Toast

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    How ironic, the big man who shoots from the paint has a significantly higher shooting % than the guard who shoots from the outside :rolleyes:
     
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    Mo Taylor is #25. That's interesting. I guess it's time to feed Mo the ball more. The guy does need to pass out of the double teams.
     
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    What an utterly atrocious comment. And when you're being stupid, don't be snide.

    How is this even relevant? The argument that this evidence supports is that Yao needs to shoot more and Francis less. If Yao is more efficient, this only makes sense.

    Sure, you can point to a lot of really ****ty big men with high % #'s - but there's a key similarity among all of them - they don't attempt many shots, because they only take the easy ones. If a big man can shoot frequently with high %'s - then hell ,take advantage of it.

    And what's even worse... the #'s don't just bear out that Yao has a higher % than Steve. Yao is 3rd. Steve is [/b]next to last.[/b]. There are *many* big men and guards in between them. So your argument... is utterly, completely, and totally meaningless. Congratulations.
     
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    Since when has there ever been meaning in comparing guards with centers?
     
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    The two reasons were obvious from my post. If you don't see, here:

    1. The overlying argument supported by the evidence in the original post is that the offense should be geared through Yao. Francis doesn't have to suck relative to his position (or even Yao) for this to be true. It's simply possible that it's better to run an offense through a center than a guard.

    2. Yao is superior to Francis relative to their positions. Francis, as almost dead last, has a terrible FG % for a guard. Yao, 3rd overall, has a terrific fg% - for a center.

    So, this means that Yao is more effective offensively both in absolute and relative terms. See why your post was completely non-responsive?
     
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    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    If you'd feel better about things, we can just take Yao out of the equation and just talk about Steve.

    Here, I'll start:

    Out of the more than 100 NBA players on pace to make 300 field goals, only one of them sucks more than Steve in field goal percentage.
     
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    I think the main point is that Yao Ming should now be the focus of the offense, and, Steve, well, has to learn to be the second option.
     
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    i didnt know he is 2nd to last, that sux.
     
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    I'll continue. Steve's having the worst shooting season of his career. We expect him to shoot about 6-7% higher for the season. If you want to abandon him 'cause he's struggling with his shot, well that makes one of us.

    But here's another situation. Nene (as you pointed out) is shooting a greater % than even Yao. So does that mean you think Denver should take the ball out of Anthony Miller's hands 'cause he only shoots 34.5%? Oh, and certainly they shouldn't run the offense through their rookie sensation Carmello Anthony, 'cause he only shoots 42%. Why's Carmello getting 18 shots a game and Miller's getting 11 while Nene's only getting 8? Someone needs to fire that Denver coach.
     
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    Anthony Miller? Or did you mean Andre Miller? And by the way, he's shooting 46.4% for the season. :D I don't really watch the Denver games, but from the ones I have seen, it appears that Nene gets most of his point through put backs and tip-ins. He rarely posts up his defender one on one and can't consistently create a shot for himself, yet. So these factors could be attributed to his high FG% and is part of the reason why they shouldn't run the offense through him. Yao on the other hand is the best one on one post player that we have. He gets most of his points by posting up, jump hooks, fadeaway jump shots, spot-up shooting and some dunks/layups. See the difference between Nene and Yao?

    I like Steve, It's a shame his FG% has dropped quite a bit this year. I think the biggest reason for this is his shot attempts. During previous seasons, he could easily get 10-15 points off drives and one on ones. Since Yao attracts so much attention in the middle, it's much for difficult for Steve to drive to the hoop when he has to face 2 or 3 7 footers trying to block his attempts . He has also been criticized a lot this year for his isolation plays. He has been doing less of that and has been mostly shooting spot up shots and shots off screens, pick and rolls. Having to change so much from his repertoire has greatly affected Steve and has resulted in his FG% drop. I believe once he starts to get comfortable with the new type of shots that our offense gives him, then we'll see his FG% go back to around the 42-45%. But until then, I want to see him give up the ball more to the guy who has the 2nd best FG% in the NBA.
     

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