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Harden disinterested and at half court when Chris ran the offense

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by LosPollosHermanos, May 25, 2019.

  1. Zboy

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    lol Bucks lost 4 in a row to choke away the series.

    You know why?

    They dont have a closer.

    When Bucks needed buckets in the 4th, their best player was no where to be found getting his team baskets.

    Ironically, Bucks could have used Harden ISO.
     
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  2. Zboy

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    Bingo!
     
  3. mockster

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    I will say when Paul is running the offense I’ve noticed harden not even trying to get open or cut or etc. I know he’s tired but when he’s not iso he’s completely useless.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    TMac part 2.

    DD
     
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  5. Zergling

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    Harden's stamina is still quite poor and needs improvement. This isn't news. When he has the ball though, he's motivated to at least make plays. That's why I think he should get the ball even more. Like literally every play. Makes Chris Paul even more worthless when they're both on the court, but it is what it is.

    By giving Harden more touches, what we can is rest him more and have Paul be the man and play more minutes without him. We probably need to reduce Harden's minutes anyway.
     
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    I think that's why they fired Irv. Harden keeps looking thiccer every year.
     
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  7. Mr. Clutch

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    Where was the closing harden iso in games 5 and 6?
     
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    That was VSpan . . .the Tmac of whereever the f*ck he was from

    DaDakota loves him some VSpan

    Rocket River
     
  9. Zboy

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    There is a difference between can and cannot.

    For example, it was because of Harden's ISO play capabilities that Rockets won games 3 & 4. Replace Harden with Giannis and you wouldnt get those and and Warriors would have swept that series in 4 games. And yes, I wish Harden was running his ISO plays in the 4th quarter of Game 5.

    Similarly, Raptors didnt beat the Bucks with some intricate ball movement offense. In the 4th quarter it was mainly give the ball to Kawhi, and let him isolate.

    Close games of playoff games mostly come down to ISO plays by the best players and Bucks dont one of a high caliber. Until Giannis develops a jump shop, their best closer is actually Middleton and that is simply not good enough.
     
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  10. leebigez

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    How about this, get in the play and be ready. When he doesn't have the ball, he's not engaged and the defense isn't even eyeing him. When CP3 doesn't have the ball he's still in the play. There is a difference.
     
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  11. Mathloom

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    How about: yes Harden f*cked up on those plays and still there are 10 problems that hurt us more, and Harden is a bigger part of the solution to beating the Warriors than anyone else in the whole organization?
     
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  12. TEXNIFICENT

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    What's everyone else's excuse for losing to the Warriors the last 5 years?
    If the goes iso he shoots too much. If he gives the ball up, he quit. Fine, so you're going to ignore the rest of these humps he's playing with who didn't do squat. Capela was a no show. CP3 is old and played one game worth a damn. Tucker played hard but is undersized and a below the rim player. Austin Rivers was up and down. Shumpert can't shoot. Gordon is 6'3 and playing small forward. This team had some serious flaws. There were no guarantees.
     
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  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    C'mon man, we're looking for things to dog the guy about now. The Media hates the guy but this team was irrelevant before he got here and will quickly go into rebuild mode after a Harden trade. If we're blowing it up, I'm all for it but let's not act like it's one guy's fault we couldn't beat a team that's kicked the Mighty West's ass for 5 years running. The Warriors are just a superior collection of talent.
     
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    Trade him. If he'll become disinterested & sloppy with the season on the line, then what's the point of him being here? Rebuild or trade for another star. I don't care about his PPG or regular season highlights. Some of you like Zboy don't care anything about Rockets culture or history. You just watch ESPN highlights & play fortnite all day. Quitting should never be tolerated
     
  15. Mathloom

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    Bro who averaged 36 points in 37 minutes for 78 games and then 31/6/6 and good defense in 41 minutes per game in the playoffs? That is by far the heaviest work load in the entire NBA. Only Paul George is in that conversation.

    Stamina is not his problem. His problem is that he is reckless about wanting to play and the organization has failed to make a logical case to him about managing the load. MDA is elite at many things, managing his team's fitness is not one of them.
     
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    It's not really about losing. It's HOW you lose. If you're gonna lose you go down fighting & leaving everything on the line. Harden's attitude & body language tells me he's already given up before the series is over. Again, we have the league leader in points, unassisted 3's & attempts, not attempting but ONE shot in the last 7 minutes of the most important game of the year. That says it all....
     
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  17. TEXNIFICENT

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    That's BS.
    So you're not looking to win, you're looking for a moral victory! Gotcha. If he shoots too much he's a ballhog. If he plays decoy he's quitting. Coaching and teammates be damned. So anything short of Harden beating the Warriors he's a loser. Ok.

    The thing is, the Warriors still won and you lost like eveyone else. IF Harden is a loser then EVERY STAR IN THE WEST has been a loser for 5 years running. Thats just fact.
     
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  18. TEXNIFICENT

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    I guess the entire Western Conference should trade their stars because they've quit for 5 YEARS!!!! Face it, The Warriors have been too good for the West over this run. They're 15-0.
     
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    So maybe we change how we play seeing that this makes Harden tire out during the most important part of the season. It's all for nothing if he's going to wear out when the playoffs start.
     
  20. Dacamel

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    And to agree even more...Chris Paul's shooting ability was in a decline all damn year.
     
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