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Robert Mueller, Former F.B.I. Director, Is Named Special Counsel for Russia Investigation

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  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol. Back to it’s a “fabricated hoax”!!!!

    Lol. We have report detailing how Trump’s associates acted but it’s a “witch hunt”!
     
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    Once again, removal isn't the point. It opens many more doors for avenues of investigation. The point is to expose the truth, whether the senate will convict is of zero concern. This report, like many, many other things, suggests that Trump and his organization are waist deep in mud. No reason to just let that slide.
     
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  3. Commodore

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    The CIA/FBI used foreign intel assets (i.e. Josef Misud and Stefan Halper) to try and entrap Papadapolous with unsolicited dirt on Hillary supposedly from the Russians, but he didn't act on it (in fact he told the FBI about it). Which is why he wasn't charged with any collusion. They tried to dirty him up and failed.

    GP was charged with perjury for getting some dates wrong. That's it.
     
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  4. Nook

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    Oh there may well have been criminal acts, there are a staggering 14 indictments with 12 of them still sealed.

    In fact we know criminal acts were committed involving Russians, and Flynn and Roger Stone.

    The problem is that we cannot connect it to Donald Trump, regardless of the suspicions the Report makes reference to, including the limitations of the investigation and the lack of cooperation from the President and Russia.

    Concerning the obstruction of justice charges, Mueller referred that to the Attorney General, as he viewed his powers to be very narrow. The report also, in shocking candor said that the President attempted to commit obstruction of justice, but his subordinates refused to.

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    "Total cooperation" from the trump team, except...
    • trump (or his counsel) refused to testify but only agreed to return written answers
    • trump agreed to written written answers but refused to answer any question related to obstruction of justice
    • And even in those questions he did answer in writing, trump (or his counsel) answered that he could not remember 34 times.
     
  6. RayRay10

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    It does make me wonder what the statute of limitations is on any possible criminal charges. I continue to believe that any actions that will come will happen after Trump leaves office.
     
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    Clinton and the Obamas got their buddies Jeff Sessions, Rod Rosenstein and Robert Mueller to do this! And the report totally exonerates the president! But it's a conspiracy!

    The Clintons and the Obamas should demand a refund from Mueller since apparently they concocted a grand conspiracy that he was part of that exonerates Trump.

    Just a bunch of nonsense.
     
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    I need to re-read the sections. It's possible you are right and I misunderstood what I was reading.
     
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    According to NBC News, the Mueller report is 'Falling with a Thud' for Democrats right now.

    Disappointed NBC: Mueller Report ‘Falling With A Thud’ for Democrats

    During the NBC News Special Report following the release of the Mueller report on Thursday, Nightly News anchor Lester Holt lamented “both volumes of this report likely falling with a thud for a lot of Democrats right now.” Capitol Hill correspondent Kasie Hunt agreed: “It did land with a thud, Lester, that’s right.”
     
  10. Nook

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    GP plead guilty to lying to investigators concerning meetings and activities with Russian contacts during the election.

    GP got off easy because the person he was in contact with (Sergei Millian) fled the country.

    GP said: "This investigation has global implications and the truth matters and I made a terrible mistake,"

    I guess you haven't been paying attention as GP and his counsel both have blamed Trump.
     
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    I had to work today. Anything new?... lol.

    No seriously though from what I have seen (will read full tonight) seems like an obvious narrative from Mueller that:

    -This is clearly a roadmap for Congress to impeach. He didn’t think he had the ability to really conclude anything about Trump here. He knew his role here was to collect all the evidence as fairly and quick as possible and get it into Congresses hands. Hence why he farmed out so many other prosecutions.

    -I was right too about Mueller using his three big cases ... Manafort, Cohen, and Stone... to write the narrative on conspiracy. He went further here than I even thought. No conspiracy in relation to Russian crimes of hacking, but he uses the chargeable offenses as a mechanism for telling the story of the Trump campaigns involvement with Russia during the campaign. Which is incredibly important to us understanding how and where Trump officials intersected with Russia. Incredibly informative.

    -Mueller or any prosecutor working for the DOJ’s hands are tied with presidential wrongdoing, and we need to overhaul or curtail presidential powers in article 2.

    -Trump and co. are the definition of unwitting conspirators to assist a hostile foreign power. Using the phrase “no collusion” makes you look like an idiot.

    -Bill Barr has stained the DOJ for a lifetime. Congress should act to remove him to restore some semblance of legitimacy.
     
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  12. Andre0087

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    Sounds like a just read Barr's press conference.
     
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    I could easily be wrong on this, but from what I've read, the clock on limitations will not start until the indictment for that crime is unsealed.
     
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    Perhaps they can do a double-feature and impeach Bill Barr and Brett Kavanaugh at the same time. What do you say? Does that sound like a good idea, or what?
     
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    Lots of "I do not recall..." or "I have no recollection..." or "I was not familar with..." answers from the mistake-in-chief's written responses.

    Hey mojo, tick tock...
     
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    The tick tocking is over on this clock. Read'em and weep.
     
  18. Nook

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    I don't have it in front of me, but part of the allegations (and the guilty) plea agreed to was that Mueller could not find Josef Mifsud (JM) to discuss what he knew about Russian involvement and collusion. By the time Mueller was on the path to find JM, he had completely disappeared.

    Mifsud went to Russia at some point in 2016, this was not unusual as he was known for having strong contacts and sympathies with Russians.

    When JM returned he contacted GP and told him that the Russians had dirt on Hilary Clinton.

    GP then repeated the information to an Australian government official, saying that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to candidate Clinton.

    The Australian government official told the FBI, and they at this point opened an investigation.

    The FBI then questioned GP, who denied he had any conversations with an Australian and refused to cooperate.

    The primary Russian contact for GP was an Russian born US citizen named Milan.

    Because GP was not truthful, Milan fled the USA and returned to Russia (where he remains).

    JM went into hiding as well. There is a belief that the FBI interviewed him (which they will not confirm or deny) and that he then disappeared off the face of the earth and remain in hiding or dead. I believe a court in Italy declared him a missing person. However the FBI said they would have detained JM if GP had been truthful to them.

    I do not know of any credible evidence that the FBI/CIA forced JM to try and get dirt on GP. Indeed it makes zero sense, because the FBI wanted to detain JM once the level of communications between JM and GP was discovered.

    At least this is my understanding.
     
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    Some key facts that are regularly misunderstood/distorted by pretty much everybody:

    1. Mueller has no authority to bring criminal charges, or even accuse, against Trump because he is still in office. This report does not speak to criminality.
    2. Only congress can recommend Impeachment. It's not Mueller's role to recommend impeachment.
    3. Potential criminal charges are still ongoing (redacted parts), which if they involved Trump, he would only be charged AFTER Trump leaves office.
     
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  20. Nook

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    No, when I am wrong I want to be corrected. This is a complicated subject and there are a lot of moving parts.

    I believe it was Barr that stated that Mueller left it to the AG to pursue criminal charges on the obstruction of justice charges.

    Unfortunately I cannot go back and look as I am sitting in a cab right now.
     
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