[FiveThirtyEight] The Six Wings Of The Democratic Party

biff17 · Mar 12, 2019

vlaurelio said: ↑

the right sure hate diversity of people, ideas, and belief
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Yeah but they sure like to paint that diversity as negative impact on American values.

BruceAndre · Mar 12, 2019

Dairy Ashford said: ↑

Alt Right might be younger than #3 and therefore possibly Libertarian by default,
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It's a good point. My parents (born in the 30s) were more conservative personally/dispositionally than they were politically. But they loved W. Churchgoers.

So, they would be in #3.

But alt righters are in general are younger and often much more libertarian, and almost certainly much more nationalist. So putting them also in #3 is a bit strained.

Anyway, several good points in your post.

Supermac34 · Mar 12, 2019

Os Trigonum said: ↑

so I know folks here don't believe in the idea of a "moderate Democrat" . . . curious what people make of the following two categories:

The Moderates

More conservative and business-friendly than other Democrats on economic policies; somewhat liberal on cultural issues; anti-establishment.

Prominent examples: Rep. Josh Gottheimer of New Jersey, Rep. Conor Lamb of Pennsylvania, Rep. Abigail Spanberger of Virginia.

Some of the members of this bloc recently voted for a bill to expand background checks for gun purchases, which was championed by Pelosi, but then also supported a GOP-backed amendment to the measure that would alert ICE when an undocumented immigrant tries to purchase a gun. The moderates supporting that idea infuriated both Pelosi (she argued Democrats need to work as a team and not join with the GOP) and Ocasio-Cortez (she objects to empowering ICE.)

But criticism from Ocasio-Cortez and Pelosi may be a feature, not a bug, for these members. Many of them represent competitive (purple) districts and states. Some of the Democrats in this bloc may be, in their hearts and minds, just more conservative than other Democrats. But virtually all have a political incentive to play up their differences with Pelosi and particularly Ocasio-Cortez — to tell their constituents essentially, “I’m a Democrat, but not that kind of Democrat.”

Conservative Democrats

Skeptical of liberal views on both economic and cultural issues, often supportive of abortion limits, generally from conservative-leaning areas.

Prominent examples: Louisiana Gov. John Bel Edwards, West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin.

This is probably the smallest wing of these six. But it’s an important one. Democrats may need more Democrats in this mold to win any of the three governor races in 2019 (Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi) or to gain seats in state legislatures in the West and the South. This wing, I think, will punch above its weight in the national debate about where the Democrats are headed — because these Democrats will likely be those pushing loudest for it to avoid the policy stands of the Very Progressives and the Super Progressives. And they will have a compelling argument — by being elected, Edwards was able to expand Medicaid to more than 400,000 people in a very red state, a real policy change Ocasio-Cortez can’t make.
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This is what most Democrats used to be, especially Southern Democrats.

Rashmon · Mar 12, 2019

JuanValdez said: ↑

I must have missed that thread.
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Overwhelmed in volume...

Amiga · Mar 12, 2019

There are no libertarian democrats?

Os Trigonum · Apr 9, 2019

Some analysis and reporting on Democratic voters, "The Democratic Electorate on Twitter Is Not the Actual Democratic Electorate."

For you non-believers in "moderate" or "conservative" Democrats:

In reality, the Democratic electorate is both ideologically and demographically diverse. Over all, around half of Democratic-leaning voters consider themselves “moderate” or “conservative,” not liberal. Around 40 percent are not white.

Roughly a quarter of Democrats count as ideologically consistent progressives, who toe the party line or something further to the left on just about every issue. Only a portion of them, perhaps 1 in 10 Democrats over all, might identify as Democratic socialists, based on recent polls.

Traditional liberals — another relatively white, well-educated bloc of Democrats — are also overrepresented on social media. They’re united with the progressive activists on the issues that divide Republicans and Democrats. They split on whether American society is fundamentally and unacceptably unjust, with liberals optimistic about compromise and satisfied with a cautious approach, and progressives demanding bolder action to redress injustice in society.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

permalink: https://nyti.ms/2UuJBcd

Os Trigonum · Apr 9, 2019

Os Trigonum said: ↑

Some analysis and reporting on Democratic voters, "The Democratic Electorate on Twitter Is Not the Actual Democratic Electorate."

For you non-believers in "moderate" or "conservative" Democrats:

In reality, the Democratic electorate is both ideologically and demographically diverse. Over all, around half of Democratic-leaning voters consider themselves “moderate” or “conservative,” not liberal. Around 40 percent are not white.

Roughly a quarter of Democrats count as ideologically consistent progressives, who toe the party line or something further to the left on just about every issue. Only a portion of them, perhaps 1 in 10 Democrats over all, might identify as Democratic socialists, based on recent polls.

Traditional liberals — another relatively white, well-educated bloc of Democrats — are also overrepresented on social media. They’re united with the progressive activists on the issues that divide Republicans and Democrats. They split on whether American society is fundamentally and unacceptably unjust, with liberals optimistic about compromise and satisfied with a cautious approach, and progressives demanding bolder action to redress injustice in society.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

permalink: https://nyti.ms/2UuJBcd
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additional discussion of the NYT Upshot piece:

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/04...ogressives-social-media-media-pays-attention/

"The Real Democratic Party": http://theglitteringeye.com/the-real-democratic-party/

MiddleMan · Apr 9, 2019

ryan_98 said: ↑

six wings of the democrats. how many wings for republicans?
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1/ 1,024

MiddleMan · Apr 9, 2019

DonnyMost said: ↑

Hillary Clinton suspiciously absent from this list.
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So is Schultz.

biff17 · Apr 10, 2019

Os Trigonum said: ↑

Some analysis and reporting on Democratic voters, "The Democratic Electorate on Twitter Is Not the Actual Democratic Electorate."

For you non-believers in "moderate" or "conservative" Democrats:

In reality, the Democratic electorate is both ideologically and demographically diverse. Over all, around half of Democratic-leaning voters consider themselves “moderate” or “conservative,” not liberal. Around 40 percent are not white.

Roughly a quarter of Democrats count as ideologically consistent progressives, who toe the party line or something further to the left on just about every issue. Only a portion of them, perhaps 1 in 10 Democrats over all, might identify as Democratic socialists, based on recent polls.

Traditional liberals — another relatively white, well-educated bloc of Democrats — are also overrepresented on social media. They’re united with the progressive activists on the issues that divide Republicans and Democrats. They split on whether American society is fundamentally and unacceptably unjust, with liberals optimistic about compromise and satisfied with a cautious approach, and progressives demanding bolder action to redress injustice in society.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/08/upshot/democratic-electorate-twitter-real-life.html

permalink: https://nyti.ms/2UuJBcd
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Who is a non believer in moderate or conservative Democrats?

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