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American Airlines Pilot calls frightens passengers with remarks

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  1. moestavern19

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    Pilot's proselytizing scares passengers

    American Airlines apologizes for comments on religion


    Monday, February 9, 2004 Posted: 7:55 PM EST (0055 GMT)

    NEW YORK (CNN) -- An American Airlines pilot made some passengers fearful when he urged them to make wise use of their flight time by talking to Christians, passengers said Monday.

    Passengers were "shocked," said Karla Austin, who had flown on Friday's Los Angeles to New York Flight 34. Some reached for their mobile phones and others used the on-flight phones, she said.

    "Just given the history of what's happened on planes in this country, anything can happen at this point. So we weren't sure if something was going to happen at takeoff, if he was going to wait until JFK (John F. Kennedy) to do something," Austin said. "But there was definitely implication there that we felt that something was going to happen."

    Passengers complained to the flight attendants, who relayed their concerns to the cockpit and who then reassured them they had nothing to worry about, Austin said.

    Attendants also told passengers they had contacted airline officials about the matter, she said.

    "We were just at the beginning of our flight. The pilot came on to greet everyone and give his comments for the morning, and he said he'd recently been on a mission trip, and he'd like all the Christians to please raise their hands," said passenger Jen Dorsey.

    He said, 'If you are a Christian, raise your hand.' He said, 'If you are not, you're crazy,'" said Austin.

    Dorsey nodded her head in agreement that the pilot had called non-Christians "crazy."

    Another passenger recounted a similar experience in an interview with WCBS-TV in New York. Amanda Nelligan told the station the pilot said those who did not raise their hands were "crazy."

    Austin said no passengers raised their hands.

    The pilot then asked passengers to look around at each other and use the flight wisely or "just sit back and watch the movie," Dorsey said.

    About 45 minutes into the flight, the pilot apologized -- but his apology focused on the crew, not the passengers, Dorsey said.

    "He came on and said, 'I want to apologize for my comments earlier. I think I really threw the flight crew off a little bit, and they are getting a lot of flack for the things I said. So I want to apologize to my flight crew,' " she said.

    Wagner said the pilot offered to speak after the flight with anyone who wanted to discuss his comments.

    On her way out, Austin said she told him that "he should be ashamed of himself."

    "He just nodded and looked to the ground, and that was it," she said.

    The airline is investigating reports about Friday's Flight 34, a company spokesman said.

    American Airlines said that if the incident were true it "would be against our policy."

    In a statement, the airline said, "It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job."

    Airline spokesman Tim Wagner said the pilot denies using the word "crazy." He told the airline he recently had returned from a mission trip and was encouraging people to use the four and a half hour flight to speak with passengers about their relationships with God, Wagner said. The pilot's name has not been released.

    "American Airlines apologizes if anyone was made to feel uncomfortable by the comments of this pilot," Wagner said.

    The airline spokesman declined to say whether the pilot has been relieved of duty while an investigation is under way. The man, a senior pilot with the airline, did not fly again over the weekend, Wagner said.

    The spokesman also declined to say whether the pilot is scheduled to fly this week.

    The result of the airline's investigation will not be made public because it is an internal matter, Wagner said, adding it will be "handled internally according to American Airlines procedure."

    CNN's Tracy Sabo contributed to this report.

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    wtf is this guy thinking? Also Jason Biggs was on this flight i heard.
     
  2. MadMax

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    The guy's an idiot. He should probably be suspended.
     
  4. twhy77

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    I know, what a great ecumenical message. :rolleyes:

    Everybody come on and attack Christians now.
     
  5. MadMax

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    i don't think this is productive, twhy. evangelism is HUGELY important...but you have to earn the right to be heard...and making people feel uncomfortable on a plane flight, particularly in our environment now with terrorism concerns, is not a great idea. i don't think the guy had anything but good intentions...i just don't think this was necessary.

    curiously, i have shared my faith with lots of folks on plane flights...kept in email contact with some of them well after the fact...my business partner did the same and ended up in a great back and forth email dialogue with a lady that lasted for months, asking questions of his faith. but those started with trust...and real relationships...and give and take...and i don't think you can artificially start that like this guy tried to do. i mean, i'm not putting anything past God...but my feelings are derived from personal experience.
     
  6. moestavern19

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    well said Max, I agree it is hard as a Christian when you hear of people doing things like this.
     
  7. Chump

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    a religious zealot at the controls of an passanger airliner, what could go wrong?
     
  8. MadMax

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    dude, i literally laughed out loud when i read this!!! awesome post! :D
     
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    well I would love to take full credit by alas John Stewert said this line on The Daily Show last night :)
     
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    From the Advocate.com:

    Exclusive: Interview with American Airlines pilot who told Christian passengers to raise their hands

    "If you have five minutes, I'll tell you why I did it," American Airlines captain Roger Findiesen told Advocate.com as Flight 34 had all but emptied out after its arrival at New York's JFK Airport, on Friday, February 6. "I felt that God was telling me to say something [to the passengers]."

    Findiesen is the pilot about whom CNN and other media have been reporting since Saturday; even The New York Times ran a story about how an American Airlines pilot, using the P.A. system before takeoff from Los Angeles International Airport on Friday morning, requested that Christians on his flight identify themselves.

    As the plane sat immobile, waiting for its slot to take off, Findiesen asked Christian passengers to raise their hands and said that "everyone else on board" might want to "make good use" of the flight. The implication was that non-Christians should learn about the Christian faith from the passengers who had raised their hands.

    Passenger Amanda Nelligan told WCBS-TV of New York that the pilot called non-Christians "crazy" and that his comments "felt like a threat," although other passengers remember the word "crazy" having been playfully applied to the Christians on board. Nelligan said she and several others aboard were so worried they tried to call relatives on their cell phones before flight attendants assured them they were safe and that people on the ground had been notified about the pilot's comments.

    Findiesen's identity has been shielded by American Airlines, but the pilot spoke candidly to The Advocate and Advocate.com editor in chief Bruce C. Steele, who identified himself to the captain at the end of the flight. Findiesen then confirmed to Steele his identity, the spelling of his name, and that his home base is Washington, D.C. At no time did Findiesen mention homosexuality or say anything antigay. During the three- to five-minute interview, he was positive and upbeat and interested only in explaining the importance of witnessing about his faith.

    What Findiesen said, as best the stunned passengers could recall once they were able to move about the cabin and confer after Flight 34 took off, was this: "I just got back from a mission," Findiesen said after making a routine announcement about the plane being second in line for takeoff. "You know, they say about half of Americans are Christians. I'd just like the Christians on board to raise their hands."

    In the suddenly hushed coach section of the airplane, a few nervous passengers raised one hand, most no higher than shoulder level, none above tops of the seats.

    "I want everyone else on board to look around at how crazy these people are," the pilot continued, with an intonation suggesting he was using the word "crazy" in a positive, even admiring manner. Evidently addressing the non-Christian passengers, he concluded that they could "make good use of [the flight], or you can read your paper and watch the movie."

    The movie on the flight was Under the Tuscan Sun, with Diane Lane and Sandra Oh as Lane's lesbian best friend.

    Findiesen did not directly ask Christians to witness, nor did he explicitly ask non-Christians to talk to the people he imagined were raising their hands, but the implication that he hoped such interactions would take place was clear, and he confirmed his desire to foster religious discussion in his interview with Advocate.com.

    "I just wanted to give Christians a chance to talk about why they're Christians," he said, standing in the forward galley at the end of the flight as the final passengers departed. "I obviously couldn't go back there and address everyone directly, so I used the P.A.

    "I just got back from a mission in Costa Rica," said Findiesen, a tall white man with neatly trimmed thick white hair and a mustache, both lightly peppered with black. "I felt that God was telling me to say something." He went on to explain that he felt God wanted him to witness to the passengers on his first flight upon returning to work for American Airlines after his mission. Despite this feeling, he said, he had decided not to say anything--but then he got another sign from God.

    A minor problem with the plane's braking system had developed during final checks before takeoff, he said, a problem that might have grounded the aircraft, on which every seat was taken, in part because another American flight from Los Angeles to New York had been canceled that morning. But after a simple maneuver involving a power source, the braking problem inexplicably "disappeared," Findiesen said, and the plane was cleared for departure, and that's when he knew he had to use the P.A. system to talk about his Christian faith.

    Flight attendants were inundated with questions and complaints, and the pilot came back on to the P.A. system a couple of hours into the flight to apologize: Not to the paying passengers, but to the flight attendants. "I'd just like to apologize to the flight attendants" for the remarks he had made before takeoff, he said over the P.A. He said he had heard the crew had "taken a little heat" for his witnessing and that he would be available at the end of the flight to answer any questions or hear any complaints himself.

    He then apologized again to the flight attendants and ended his announcement.

    Asked by Advocate.com whether he felt he should also have apologized to his passengers, Findiesen paused. "I felt bad for the flight attendants," he said. As for the passengers, he said that he felt making himself available to talk to them as they deplaned was sufficient.

    Asked whether it was part of his job as an American Airlines pilot, trusted with the safety of hundreds of passengers, to witness about his faith from the cockpit, he said it was not. But, he asserted, "there's actually no regulation against doing what I did." He also reminded Steele that the plane was not moving at the time of his original announcement.

    The case was handed over to the airline's personnel department for an investigation, American Airlines spokesman Tim Wagner said Sunday. "It falls along the lines of a personal level of sharing that may not be appropriate for one of our employees to do while on the job," he said.

    Because of privacy issues, there would likely never be any announcement about what kind of punishment or reprimand the pilot may face, Wagner said.

    While Findiesen repeated to Steele that he was sorry his fellow crew members had taken heat for his comments, he expressed no regret for having made them and no regret for not having apologized to the American Airlines customers he was serving on the flight. But, he added, "I won't do it again, if you want to make a big deal of it."
     
  11. JuanValdez

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    I'm wondering why this would make people nervous. I can see why some might be offended, but nervous?
     
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    I think this guy was quite a bit off his rocker, but I just hate when some folks make other Christians look like a bunch of freaks.
     
  13. moestavern19

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    bama - it makes me have a great deal of respect for the muslims who get labeled lunatics because of a few loco extremists.

    I don't get why people are called "religious zealots"

    In the Bible a Zealot was a Jew who wanted to overthrow the Roman Government.
     
  14. ima_drummer2k

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    This guy sounds like a Phil Hendrie character...
     
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    but we are freaks!
     
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    Lol! max, and I'm sure that this isn't how you go about it, but you do realize that, to many, the thought of sitting next to someone on a plane and having them turn to you with a beatific smile and enquiring politely " Have you found Jesus?" ranks right up there with extended root canal work?
     
  17. MadMax

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    totally...and please understand, that's never how it's happened!!

    i'm usually asked because i read a lot of Christian books...not the least of which, is the Bible.
     
  18. twhy77

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    Maybe the rolly eyes were in the wrong place but I totally agree with you.

    Guys like this make Christians look bad.
     

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