Chron: Francis, coach say relationship fine as differing accounts linger

well... unless van gundy skipped out on eating this morning, they did technically have breakfast.

unless were gonna trade the guy, move on people. otherwise it's doing more damage than good. there's still another half left.

 

Doesn't matter anymore, SF already did the suspension, that should be the end of it. The fact is that we need to concentrate on the rest of the ball games, period.

 

Who cares if they had breakfast? The fact is that the two of them did meet. That is confirmed. If Steve was munching on a power bar at the time and wanted said they had breakfast at the time, then he might say they had breakfast and talked about it and everything is cool.

Van Gundy may not have eaten a thing, and didn't really pay attention to the fact that Steve was chewing a power bar. I'm not saying that is what happened but something along those lines could have happened, but either way it doesn't matter.

What matter's most is the Rockets need to not let this be a distraction and concentrate on winning.

As a side note Steve's unprofessionalism in missing the team flight to begin with is a problem, and hopefully just a small bump in the road.

 

This ain't over, what 'we' are seeing here is the beggining of the End of the Franchise here in Houston. This is the first 'open' turmoil, it's probably been going on for awhile. Actually, it probably started during pre season, and a few brave souls called it here there.
Yes I'm a pessimist and a lousy speller.

 

I think its great that they publicize the crap that Steve did. If he continues to screw up then the Rox organization can show that his behavior and his play is worthy of a dismissal and it wasn't just one particular aspect.

 

Right, FranchiseBlade.

As for the whole 'was he at the superbowl debate' -- I think he was at home like he said. Notice that Van Gundy called FROM Phoenix [to check up on Steve]. Steve, bitter and resentful about the suspension protested by saying 'Well, fine I dont need you, I can goto the super bowl!' -- immature yes, but far from putting himself before the team. He was more or less doing it as a threat.

Seriously, lay off him, we're not talking about killing someone, he was late for a flight. You mean to tell me you've never been late to something? I'm not saying what he did, or how he managed the situation was right, but hes been getting a lot of flak since this incident, and I dont think it's justified.

 

So much drama. If we win, things should quiet down but if we keep losing....ugh.

 

does JVG not like breakfast buritos

 

Why do I get the feeling that Steve is the ****bag that is lying? I think Van Gundy is telling the truth.

Maybe Steve did have personal problems. As for the super bowl being a "once in a lifetime" opportunity, that is bull****. Steve will get tickets whenever he wants to any event.

Trade him for Kurt Thomas and a bag of balls. We'll be better because of it.

 

We could trade Steve because he lied, but if we could only get another player in return who had never lied about missing a practice or being late then I'm not sure our options would be that open.

Or we could not trade players based on this one lying incident and wait and see how our team plays.

 

I agree. Attending the game today, you could see A LOT of tension between the two, especially in the second half. Steve made a bonehead play, Jeff took him out and then started talking to him about it - Steve got up and sat somewhere else.

Steve gets back in the game, drives to the hole, makes an amazing shot while getting fouled, is all pumped up. Next defensive play, he fouls the three point shooter right by JVG, then proceeds to cry about how he swears he didn't do it.

It is just really strange, the situation. Don't know what to make of it.

 

Well, what is important is that SF lost all his credibility being dishonest with JVG. The incident does not come from nowhere. They probably have been at each other for a while.

 

VG and SF have already admitted inthe press they dont se eye to eye...Vg said especially that SF doesnty agree with him about discipline.

I dont doubt there is tension...

but VG and SF have said they will work thru it to acheive their common goals.

I still think they will keep tryin till the offseason and make moves based on how the season went.

I wouldnt protest too loudly if SF was moved...as long as we get something good in return.

 

This is the most likely scenario, especially given Steve's BYC status.


Just saying, there was significant more tension obvious tonight at the game between the two.

 

As I just posted in another thread, SF is gone.

It's not a matter of if, but when.

Many of us (me included), predicted this would happen, on the day YM was drafted.

I just hope CD doesn't screw it up, because this trade will decide the Rocket's future for years to come.

If it's a smart trade, we can have a dynasty in the wings, but if this is another EG or GL debacle, the Rockets might be a .500 team for years to come.....

Raven

 

The mistake was getting JVG.


Not keeping Steve with Yao.


Smurfs villians should never be coaches in the Western Conference.

Van Chancellor would do a better job of seeing things the players' way and balancing the load of talent, for goodness' sake.

Bring Rudy back to the helm. (Or not... but...)

If SF is shipped because his coach couldn't let him lead the team, and make Yao a complement to SF's game in Yao's 2nd season, then the Rocket's owners/management just shipped off a 30+ point Rocket Killer every chance he'll get.

If SF leaves because of JVG, then something is extremely out of focus here.

What's that thing?

The fact that while JVG may have had playoff appearances in NY, he NEVER had any RINGS to show for it. And while Steve may have never been to the playoffs, he never had a consistent and HEALTHY surrounding cast. Rudy was a playoff capable coach WITH rings, but during Steve's years under Rudy there were long spurts of NO MoT, or Dream left, or Rudy was sick himself, or EG never developed or, etc. etc.

The true proven NON-ACHEIVER is JVG and his NO RINGS, not a leading scorer, and ALL-STAR, with NO SUPPORTING CAST.

JVG is the weasel. The beady bags-under-the-eyed, self preservationist, short-man-complex-having, comb-over-hair-club-member, self conscious, no playing skill, jealous-of-the-star, put-a-spin-on-it, lying sack of poo, weasel.

JVG is the newbie here. He's the not-to-be-trusted in the this case.

The player that's stayed here and weathered the storm of bad contracts and management's tight-waddedness has no reason to lie after sticking by his team and opting to stay in Houston all this time. Steve has stood here waiting for someone to come alongside him on the court, and complement each other's game. No star player expects a new coach to come in and whisk them right out of their playing style, and crush them into submission by having no human compassion. People have to have people skills to coach stars. JVG's only skill involving people is his his skill to decieve people and make himself look bigger than he is.

Trust me, JVG is a manipulator of facts. I've seen his type before, and I've worked for his type before.

Small man syndrome, jealousy, whatever you call it, shoot... "pharisee-ism" if you will... it all stinks.

If JVG thinks for one second that he's proving a point in his handling of the situation... the only point he's proving is his own ignorance of how to have a star on the roster. Stars will not come here if SF is run off my this short little dork.

If easy goin' Steve is literally run off, then I doubt we'll have many more players knocking on the door to come here.

Now do think that Ward went to SA because of Duncan? Please. He was avoiding "Mr. Principal's Office" JVG.

JVG does not respect SF, and thus the feeling is painfully and obviously mutual.

SF wanted Houston because he respected Rudy... not because of Dream. SF knew Dream was out in a few years at most... but expected Rudy to be coach for his whole career.

JVG is the poor addition.

 

Now, which is the "he" and which is the "she"?