If Steve Is Not A Part of Our Future, Which Way Do We Go?

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Wait until the summer to make any serious moves.

Raven

 

I would go with the option - Trade Steve for a high level player..

you need more than 1 great player to reach the championship.. 1 guy can't carry the load himself.. unless you're Duncan.. thats a possibility..

but my trust would not to trade steve.. he just needs to get his act together he just needs motivation to reach the to the top ...cause he already has the money..

 

Get T-Mac in the off-season.

 

Gotcha

Do you have any player in mind that can fill that spot?

 

Np, I'll just repost here, and my thread can die out...

If the Rockets make a trade to shake things up, then they have a serious problem.

Number one, SF won't have full trade value until after the season is over.

Number two, if they trade CM (because he is their third most valuable asset), isn't that unfair to Cat. I mean he's not the guy that skipped a flight, but he's the guy that gets traded. I won't feel sorry for anyone that makes his kind of dough, especially a player that uses the term "I want" as often as he does, but it does seem to me that SF is the bigger problem on this team.

Number three, every GM now smells blood in the water. When a player and coach are not getting along, the players trade value goes down, so making a trade before the summer could potentially get less value for CM or SF than waiting until the summer.

Number four, I no longer care if the Rockets make the playoffs. They won't make it to the second round anyway, and since a new guy would have to adjust, there's no promise that trading CM will result in more victories, in fact SF might take the trade as a green light to go all AI on his team mates.

Number five, I think the Rockets should hold off on dumping SF or CM until the summer, then completely rebuild the team around YM, using SF, CM, and the exception to acquire a legit power forward and guard.

Yes this means one more summer of crushed hopes, but hey it's only a game, and were use to it anyway.

Plus we have the Astros!

Raven

 

Tonight is a perfect example of why Heinrich and Chandler wouldn't help us, we need that guy who is going to force the issue.

Even though he hasn't been playing well, our team is ran by Steve, period. He sets people up, he draws defenses, he draws fouls, he rebounds. I'm not saying he is the best player, but he makes this team run and trading him for anything less than a superstar would hurt this team.

I still think we need to keep SF and Yao together. We know they have the potential to be great, and we know that they are both not playing to that potential, but we can't throw it away just because of that. They are both unstoppable when they are at the top of their game, and I'm sure we are going to see that very soon.

All I can say is that I hope the Rockets don't make any rational decisons, they are only going to hurt this team.

 

The more I think about this, the more I hope that LA fires CD.

The Rockets need new front office leadership, and do any of us really trust CD to get fair market value for SF or CM.

Raven

 

We really need a win now!!

 

yeah, rational decision can come back to kill you.




Raven, even though SF forced it, CD pretty much screwed vancouver on the trade to get steve. i mean, isn't othella the only guy still even in the league that we gave up?



as my sig says, we better get something good. no jvg type guy. i'll throw up all over myself if we get a few "hard-nosed", "nitty-gritty", "blue-collar" players.

i would only take option #1 for someone like tmac, or maybe maybe a guy like ray allen who can shoot lights out. even then, the ray allen part would be hard as he isn't a true superstar (though he can put up 25 on any given night and had great #'s at the end of last season).

the only part of 4 i want is that we get people that can shoot if we can't get real talent.

i want picks and a player or two. if we could get a top 5 pick say and someone good, though obviously not great (maybe we'd have to throw boki or some crap in), i could live with it. maybe a conditional 1st rounder 2 years after that or get another team in there who will throw us another pick.

i'd have a hard time just getting someone and then some lame pick like 13 where it's just a matter of hoping that guy has the drive and undeveloped skills no one notices to become real good.

i haven't really put much thought into actual names b/c until now i didn't think a trade was probable.

i'm sure there's some 8 or 9 million dollar guy out there who is good on a team that would throw us a good pick. i doubt we could get a pick where okafur would be (isn't he like #1 or #2 pick material this year, him and howard).

it's not a perfect situation and if we could squeeze some other pick out of it (17-20 say) that'd be nice. but get us a ****ing PF who doesn't blow for once.

i promise i'll drop fewer F bombs tomorrow mods.

 

What was it that Clutch said about knee-jerk reactions?

Thats what all of this trade this guy, trade that guy, sign this guy sign that guy talk is all about.

Seriously how many of you thought the Rockets were going to be contenders for the title this year? I thought they would make the playoffs get their respective feet wet and then gear up for the next season. Not to mention that this is JVG's first year as head coach, he still needs to mold this team to his will whether they want to willingly or by force.

The issue here is that this team will go the way JVG wants it to. We've seen what the results were when the inmates ran the asylum, it didn't work and now things are going to change.

Blowing up the team is not the answer. Convincing the current group we have now that they need to play unselfishly is the way to go, its buying into the philosophy. And the players that do not adhere to the plan then need to be shipped out. But trading everyone not named Yao is not the answer.

Relying on the NBA Draft now to build your team in my eyes is a joke. There is no immediate help after the first three picks, and spending time waitng for players to develop is probably not in Les Alexander's plans. He already has a half-empty building, blowing up the team will just dishearten fans and imagine what the attendance will look like after that.

I just want the team to win. I have been just as impatient as everyone else in wanting this team to make the playoffs and contend. But I hold out hope that management will make the right decisions and some of the players on this team visit the Wizard and get a couple of brains, hearts, some courage and a ounce of kick in the @ss to get them going and reach their ultimate goal, a championship.

 

I think you have to go with trading Steve for a couple of promising rookies and a contract, and trade everyone else for picks.

You won't get equal value in a star/star deal. You have a chance to get the better end of a deal if you develop future stars. They can still be coached. They are the coaches' guys. The game plan is set. They are cheaper.

Picks allow you to build into the nucleus of young talent and allow the best to rise to the top. It keeps everyone hungry. Get some value from those first-class facilities by getting people who love to improve.

Add some chucky browns in the mix. Team-first, hungry nbdl guys that will thank the coach for the opportunity, and work their butts off in practice. Scales, Tmo, Hawk. Using FA's isn't going to work with our crew. FA's have a different agenda. They want a place where they can get theirs - the agent's job is to get them more money and more shots than they deserve, with less strings attached. Screw that. No FA is going to fix our problems.

This team has an ugly, smug complacency. They seem uncoachable. Franchise, Cat, MoT and Cato all need to go. AG, Pike, Boki, the rest can go too, who cares. They're not winners.
They're all losers. Blow it up and start over.

 

Dude ain’t happy and it shows. Problem is, for all his talent he doesn’t have strong enough character to be a true professional. How can you help the people around you become better players when you can’t even help yourself become a better player?

I kind of look like players like they are stocks. What kind of value is in my 'Steve Francis' stock? Do we minimize our losses and get out when he has peak value? I'm tellin' ya nothing diseases a roster faster than a max contract player that is simply pushing through his year, unhappy and melancholy.

Get what you can for Steve and build around the Chinese Rik Smits. That may sound facetious but hey, I’m a realist. It took Hakeem a decade, and Yao is no Hakeem.

 

Boston gets: Steve Francis

Houston gets: Chris Mills, Marcus Banks, Jiri Welsch, Kendrick Perkins and Boston's first round pick.

Mills is in the last year of his contract. The other 3 would still be on their rookie deals. This should free up cap space whilst getting 3 young players drafted in the first round and another 1st rounder this summer.

I think Ainge pulls this deal. Dunno about CD/JVG.

 

Great post MacBeth! I would want to trade SF for another high-level player, but one that will also be a good off-court leader.

I think your point about rebuilding is valid, but in rebuilding, we run the risk of making the same mistakes as we've made before. In other words, what is to say that we won't be at the same place we're at today five years from now? I'm not confident enough in CD and Les's abilities to opt for a rebuilding plan.

I think that SF's trade value will remain constant all the way through the offseason. Other GMs know that SF is an exceptional talent that just doesn't fit into JVG's offense. That is no big secret. He is a marquee player that will command the same value whether you trade him today, or 4 months from now.

So why wait? If this season is a wash, I would rather spend the 2nd half building chemistry with a newly acquired player. The Rox will be that much better off when they start the next season. And who knows, with a good trade and some major luck, the Rox may actually see some playoff success this year...

 

I love this trade from Rockets Perspective but why would Ainge trade away depth at 1, a big combo guard in Welsch, and a potential big in kendrick Perkins. Hell I do this trade without the first round pick. SF is all flash and no substance. You think Pierce would be happy to have another Franchise on his team? Ain't going to happen man.