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Do you *really* know John Kerry?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by El_Conquistador, Jan 30, 2004.

  1. FranchiseBlade

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    My typing and thinking aren't going well together today. I meant to say I see a difference in a person who is against the draft and elects not to serve. I also agree with everything you posted.
     
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    Forget what I said...people on this bbs are not "getting it." I was just hopeful.
     
  3. Batman Jones

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    rimbaud: Please explain what there is to "get." I'm trying so hard not to assume it's that old, tired 'Jorge is just kidding and he wins cause people respond as though he was serious' thing.
     
  4. rimbaud

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    Is that your new catchphrase? It could catch on. I am very sleepy.

    Not really what you said. However, I do think "getting it" would mean no responses in this thread. Starvation would be good. Utilitarian. Mostly, though, I was just playing on GARM terminology because I am stupid and find stupid things to be funny.
     
  5. Sishir Chang

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    Wait a minute weren't alot of these posters attacking Dean last week?

    This thread started out attacking Kerry and now attacking Clark so I guess this means that those two are the front runners.

    Except Edwards is on a roll too and is doing better than Clark so why aren't any of y'all attacking him? I mean he is a trial lawyer so there's plenty there.
     
  6. No Worries

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    I guess you were not paying attention during GWB's 2000 election campaign when GWB was trying to put the black hat Russia gave back to us on China. After many GWB's un-diplomatic messages wrt China, the Chinese, in particular their military people, were fuming. Is it a coincidence that the US and China had a military incidence withn months of the start of GWB's presidency?
     
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    We were on a path to confrontation with China way before Bush even was elected. Bush wanted to make sure that China understood that the same old kid-gloves treatment that allowed the Chinese to do whatever they want under the Clintons (including allowing the theft of nuclear secrets and the sale of satellite and rocketry technology in a quid pro quo in exchange for campaign contributions, why else would the PLA through cut-outs supply money to Clinton/Gore?) was no longer in force. The Chinese have provocated us, saying that if we defended Taiwan, they'd nuke LA (which to be perfectly honest with you, wouldn't bother me in the least). When you do the amount of military modernization that China has done over the past 10 years, you aren't doing it because you are extending the hand of friendship or for self-defense. You are doing it because you have designs outside your normal regional sphere of influence. Power politics, the only thing that makes the world go around.
     
  8. No Worries

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    This is some really muddy thinking on your part. I can just see it that Clinton presidential directive to "allow"foreign spys to steal our nuclear secrets (I bet Clinton used one of his predecessor's drafts to write said directive, replacing Russia/USST with China). And then you ding Clinton for selling technology to China (and at least giving US corporations $$$) instead of "allowing" them to steal it. Shame on those greedy US corporations for wanting to make a buck. I bet those US corporations also made campaign contributions, ya think?

    For a much clearer picture of GWB's China policy circa 2000, all you need to do is put on your neocon goggles. The neocons see that once China builds a substantial middle class their GDP will be higher than our GDP. And then it will only be a matter of time before the Chinese spend more money on defense than we do. The shoe would be on the other foot and that would threaten our hegemony.
     
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    Yeah, Can you believe that Bill Clinton's brother was taking millions of dollars from a Chinese semiconductor firm. Oh wait, I'm sorry that was George Bush's brother, Neil. All the stuff about Thai hookers at the end of the article is just gravy.



    Bush's brother in bother
    By Hamish McDonald
    China Correspondent
    Beijing
    November 28, 2003



    Revelations that US President George Bush's younger brother has a $US400,000 ($A553,000) a year sinecure with a Chinese firm partly owned by the son of a former Chinese president have thrown a new sleaze factor into the suddenly problem-beset US-China relationship.

    The link was exposed in court papers leaked from Neil Bush's divorce proceedings in Texas, and could add to pressure on President Bush to take a tougher stand on Chinese imports ahead of next year's presidential and congressional elections.

    Over the past week, the Bush Administration has slapped a succession of restrictions and extra duties on Chinese imports ranging from bras to colour television sets to placate lobbyists calling on him to "protect American jobs".

    Leaked court transcripts published yesterday revealed details of Neil Bush's consultancy contract, signed in August last year, with a leading Taiwan and Chinese-owned computer chip firm, Grace Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation of Shanghai.


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    Major investors in the firm include Jiang Mianheng, the son of former Chinese president Jiang Zemin, now chairman of China's Central Military Commission.

    Under the contract, Neil Bush, 48, is to receive $US2 million worth of Grace stock paid in instalments of $US400,000 over five years, in return for providing the company "from time to time with business strategies and policies; latest information and trends of the related industry, and other expertised advices (sic)".

    In a deposition filed in court, Mr Bush admitted he had no educational background in semiconductors.

    He also admitted to having had sex on several occasions over many years with women who knocked on his hotel door in Thailand and Hong Kong.

    "You have to admit, it's pretty remarkable for a man to go to a hotel room door and open it and have sex with her," said his ex-wife's lawyer, Marshall Davis Brown.

    Mr Bush insists he did not know the women, did not see them afterwards and did not pay them. "Were they prostitutes?" he was asked. "I don't know," he said.
     
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    TY, you know, you're the biggest monkey behind a typewriter around here. Your attitudes towards grammar and spelling are cavalier at best, abusive, more accurately. (Go ahead and pick up a Strunk and White - white: you'll like that, huh?)

    BS, you remain a faceless, facile tool.
     
  11. bamaslammer

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    Ooooooooohhh! I'm so hurt by your pathetic attempt at an insult.
    But facile according to this definition No. 4 definitely does not fit me. No. 2 fits me to a T.

    Of course NYRocket, I expect that you will show me some of your depth of intelligence, huh? Nah, just childish insults that if you actually looked up the word, would find would also be a compliment. So grow a brain, quit sucking up the drivel that your teachers/professors spoon feed you regularly and start thinking for yourself. Consider yourself owned. :D
     
  12. bamaslammer

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    And you have no problem with the Chicoms running the show? What, do you have fartbeans for brains?
     
  13. No Worries

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    Can this see the inconsistency of the above statement? Do I need to spell it out for you?
     

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