Right? I've always thought here's a guy who averages 5 assists a game, had one great playoff series and rode that to a huge contract. But then I look up his stats and he actually did average 8+ assists when he was with the grizzlies. But a bunch of people think he's an elite point guard -- better than steve francis. I mean c'mon. I've seen him play a lot, he's not a great passer, is an overrated but clutch shooter, doesn't bring any extra attributes to the table (like Kidd's rebounding, or GP's defense). Why do people think he's so good? I have a feeling that being on the kings makes everyone look good. They just have such great movement on and off the ball. It's just like how some people think Brad Miller is better than Yao Ming. Give me a break, how many open shots (10-15 foot jumpers) or layups are created for Miller by the great passing and perimeter threats? That's all he gets, I'm pretty sure Yao could hit those even better. And when do other teams come in trying to deny Brad Miller the ball? Same thing with Bibby. There's a team of 5 above average players who are very complete (passing, shooting) so the ball moves around and offense looks easy. Everyone looks good. I don't think anyone else besides Peja deserves to be an allstar on that team.
Bibby sure looked good as he was lighting up Francis. From what i've seen, he's a very good passer. Their offense is started through the big men, so the PG is not counted on as much to distribute the ball. He's also an above average defender and a good shooter. Basically, he's an all-around player that doesn't have a glaring weakness. He makes Francis seem pretty one-dimensional. I believe Bibby would be a perfect PG for the rockets, and I would trade Francis for him.
A PG can't average too many assists in the Kings system, with so much ball movement and such passers from the high post.
Bibby is your stealth type PG. He does not make the prettiest plays but he's very efficient. He's one of the best shooting PG's in the league and has great court vision. He won't break anyone's ankle with his speed because he doesn't need to. I won't say he's overrated because he's not even making any allstar teams. If he's playing for some other PG oriented teams his stats might be Cassell-like because the scary thing is that he is a way better all around player now than his Grizzlies days...much stronger, much better shooter and much more decisive.
Yea, youre right. He's similar to Cassell in a way (although of course Cassell is better). They both got the midrange jumper down pat. Give them any open shot and it'll be money. Of course, the difference is Bibby doesn't look to score. But he's a pretty good passer and decision maker. I actually think he can put up better numbers if he wasnt with the Kings. In other words, he's a very very solid PG. Is he better than francis? Well, skills-wise and athletics-wise, definitely not. But both are two different types of point guards.
I'm one of those who consider M.bibby as an elite PG. He is NOT overrated. He HAS court vision. he HAS great pass skill. he HAS smart timing decision. Most important of all,HE IS A GREAT TEAM PLAYER! I just love him. He deserves my admiration,out of question!!! Glad you see it... SK is a great team for their pass-moving offensive. Passing,pick and roll,shooting,fast break...EVERYTHING finishs in movement.That's brilliant!Under such a tactics,it's conductive to a player who's a 2nd tier star become a good star,while a good star seems to be a superstar.B.Miller is a case in point.
I don't know is bibby overrated. I do think at this point he is better than francis. So, if francis is an allstar, I don't think it is overrated to consider Bibby as an allstar candidate. The only thing steve has over bibby is steve's physical ability. and I do think Brad Miller deserves to be an allstar. Before the season, I thought he was only good enough because he played in the east, he completely surprised me. He has much much more skills and understandings of the game than I thought.
The fact that Bobby Jackson is still their 6th man says a lot about Bibby. Comparing him with Francis, Bibby is the better shooter (more consistent) the better passer (hard to say if he's great because of the Kings style) the worse rebounder (few guards are better than Steve on this) the better decision maker (few PGs are worse than Steve on this) the slightly better defender (not as quick, but more physical) the worse penetrator (which is Steve's main thing as an offensive threat).
Bingo. It's really pathetic how many posters here put so much stock into stupid stats, that really have nothing to do with anything. Bibby is a solid PG. I do think he was overrated from his 1 playoff run, but solid nonetheless. If he ever bothered to play defense, then I would think about calling him a very good to great PG.
Bibby is easily a better passer. One only needs to watch Bibby run a fastbreak compared to Francis. Francis is the worst fast-break PG I have ever seen. It's really pathetic how crappy the Rockets fast breaks are when Francis is a part of it. I also don't know about rebounding... No other PG in the NBA goes inside to rebound more than Francis, since Francis is incapable of running fastbreaks or controlling tempo, he's better served to help on the defensive boards. If most PGs spent as much time rebounding as Francis did, they would avg close to as many boards. Instead, most competent PGs are running on the break, creating easy baskets. Something that Francis is foreign to.
Should the Rox trade SF with Bibby straight up? You bet! Bibby's game is perfect for teh Rox, with his great shooting, passing, and handling of the ball.
The funny thing about Bibby is... I think he's overrated by those that really like him, and consider him an elite PG. I think he's underrated by most of those who do not like him, and believe he's only average. he was definitely overrated after that one fantastic playoff run. I think he's a good, solid PG who will protect the basketball and shoot fairly well. He's not the type of guy who can score at will (except when he's extremely hot). He's also not the type of PG, like a Kidd or Payton, who makes players around him substantially better. I think such players are usually overrated/underrated, because people like to divide the league between superstars and roleplayers (and scrubs) too much. Bibby doesn't fit neatly into any one of those categories. Other players who are also like that (imo): Mashburn, Marion, and Rashard Lewis. In the right systems, they'll put up all-star #'s. In the wrong systems, they might look average. In truth, they're neither.
That's not a fair statement. Francis is a career 6.2 rpg rebounder. Many full-time big men don't even have that number. Just give you an example. Rasheed Wallace, considered to be one of the better PFs (not to mention many bbs members salivate for getting him ) has 6.7 rpg for his career. It's a ludicrous suggestion that any PG can get that many rebounds only if they try.
Of course, it's also a bit silly to suggest that some of Francis' rebounds have come at the expense of aligning the team properly for the break . He (in the past, especially) goes to the glass far too often when he should be getting in position to receive the outlet
Wallace spends more time defending the perimeter than Francis does... so by default, Francis will be in better rebounding position.
I think Bibby is a top 10 guard. That includes both positions of point and shooting. I think he gets possibly an all-NBA honor this year even though he won't make the all-star game.
Bibby is a better Western Conference point guard meaning he has the skillset to that is needed to succeed against Western Conference defenses. Steve has a style similar to guys like Baron Davis and Stephon Marbury. That's Eastern Conference style.
Excellent point. If anything, I'd say Bibby may be underrated (!). His numbers suck, but he's the floor general for the best team in basketball. He always seems to get an assist's assist, and he has a good understanding of when to run the floor and when to set the offense. Those aren't flashy skills, but they're crucial in a high-scoring system like Sacramento's. Winning in the NBA is not easy to do. If your point guard can't play point guard (cough)Francis(cough), it usually shows in the win-loss column.
i think bibby is a very solid point guard. i would love to have him on our team. But not straight up for francis. Francis still has the talent to be great. bibby is solid but he is not near as good as francis can be, (and was before this year)
