We traded Melton because we were hoping Knight and Cross could be rotational players, it's really not hard to understand. i mean really what has Melton done to cause all this angst.
It's just that people see the trade this way: Anderson -> Knight Chriss -> Melton ...so, basically swapped a bad player on an untradable contract for another bad player on untradable contract, and a bust expiring for a good prospect on a cheap multi year contract. The only positive of the trade as today is that helps us save some money, but eh, as fans we don't care about that. __________ Votes in the most recent thread basically overturned the old one btw... http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...de-i-no-longer-call-it-the-ryno-trade.295199/
I still think it is a wait and see, let’s see who we trade for. The final outcome is really Ryno/Melton for the Trade Target
If that's what we were expecting, then we're stupid. Knight was a year off the court and surely during the medical they could tell what they discovered later about his knee infection. Chriss I don't think mattered at all - that guy needs to be confronting his parents about why they terrorized him into playing basketball when his heart is clearly not in this sport. Melton is a solid rotation piece in his first season. Most of the time, that means the guy is going to be at least an excellent role player for the next 5-6 years under the team's control. That's a big deal to a team struggling with luxury tax issues.
I don't think Morey expected Knight to be able to contribute much. He's just a contract that would be easier to move than Anderson's. Chriss is just a "maybe" potential, not a lot of promise. He's kind of like the Thabeet acquisition. Anyway, the trade was basically breaking Anderson's huge bad contract into two smaller bad contracts. Melton was the price that compensated the Suns for the trouble.
Pretty much. Anderson's contract and on court production are so bad that Morey had to send a plus asset to the Suns in order to have a chance of potentially upgrading the rosters using Anderson's former cap space. The legacy of his worst signing lives on.
Knight contract is less bad than Anderson contract, but by how much in the end? I mean, in terms of money saved going forward it's pretty big, but in terms of value in a trade, not sure...if to move Knight we still need to throw in one ot two 1st rounders well, the value is literally the same, especially considering pretenders/contenders are not going to trade for a Anderson/Knight regardless, tanking teams are those willing to take on bad contracts, but for them i don't think it matters much if it's a 30x2M contract or a 40x2M contract...
and I ask again what has Melton done to feel agitated about? and IMO saving money is a greater value to the long term future of the team than Melton. Austin is a better player than Melton at this time and for the current window of this team, if Melton he probably would be getting Knights minutes. A player like Melton can be acquired every year so why all of the angst?
Melton is a solid rotation piece on a tanking team, that does not mean he would have been solid with us and contributing to winning this year. Everything else you posted is pure speculation on your part and we still have the trade deadline to see how this trade shakes out. dude is averaging 6 and 3 assists in the worst team in the NBA why all the angst?
No, Melton is a solid rotation piece. Seriously, try watching Phoenix's next game. That guy is a rotation player in the NBA, not just in Phoenix. As for the way this trade shakes out, everything in the future is speculation. Including your prediction that there will be a trade in the future. But from what we do know, it's going to cost us Knight and a pick to get a net neutral asset. Which means we will have traded Ryno, Melton and a pick to get to nothing at all.
none of this a settled and there is a possibility we can get a better player with Knight and a 1st than Ryan and a 1st. one is at least playable on today's NBA.
So far he has done nothing relevant, not shocking considering the team he plays with...but he has still done more than Knight and Chriss together, not to mention that he has obviously way more value due to his age, potential and contract. Just a better player/asset than what we got back. I don't get the "feel agitated" thing tbh, to me it's pretty obvious he was always the only piece with value in that trade, that's why the Suns did the trade, we're desperate to unload Ryan, they were not to get him. Everyone talked about how all things considered Melton was one of the better prospects in the summer league, especially considering he was drafted in the 2nd round, but somehow a bunch of people here felt/fell there's a reason to kinda mock who says this...to me it seems that those who are feeling agitated are actually those who are trying to paint (for themselves maybe?) the trade good for us when as today it clearly isn't, if not to save some money going forward. Yeah, we'll see how we end up with Knight, if he will be able to come back at his best fine, we would've still lost value but all things considered that would be ok i guess. If Knight ends up just like Anderson so, being unplayable and untradable, if not by moving one 1st rounder for a JR Smith or two 1st rounders for a Bazemore well...not good. And of course we'll see also how good Melton will be going forward.
none of this a settled and there is a possibility we can get a better player with Knight and a 1st than Ryan and a 1st. one is at least playable on today's NBA. we don't know anything about a Knight trade, you are still speculating. Melton is shooting 38% and is averaging 20 minutes a game on a top of the lottery team, we are getting more than that from Austin, he would be doing little to compete for championship this year.
So two really low picks to get rid of Ryno's horrendous contract. That isn't bad. As good as Melton is, he's not going to get any minutes on this team especially now that we have Austin Rivers. The only reason Knight is getting minutes is because they hope he gets back to his former self so they can trade him or he has an impact during the playoffs.
So basically at this point the trade is a net neutral right? And that's only if you believe we get no value from Knight and Cris, which is a opinion and not a fact half through the season and before the trade deadline. Melton is all potential now and that potential is a solid rotationalplayer, so once again why even discuss it when we haven't even gotten to the trade deadline?
So basically at this point the trade is a net neutral right? And that's only if you believe we get no value from Knight and Cris, which is a opinion and not a fact half through the season and before the trade deadline. Melton is all potential now and that potential is a solid rotationalplayer, so once again why even discuss it when we haven't even gotten to the trade deadline?
Potential is value so, nope, at this point the trade is bad for us, cause Melton, as one of the best rookies coming out in the last draft, signed to a 3 year deal, has way more value than Knight and Chriss, and still played better than both so, more value as a player and asset. If we'll get value from Knight and Chriss is obviously something nobody knows so, yeah, we'll see, so far we just got rumors about how we tried to move Knight like everyday, but couldn't cause nobody wanted him unless we were going to attach one or more picks so, basically the same thing we heard about Anderson. So, what i'm saying is that as today the trade looks bad because it is bad, we traded a good asset (who could've been also playing well here) to save some money and to get some flexibility. I'm not saying it's impossible we get good value back with Knight and Chriss (if we move picks with them of course, cause otherwise they have negative/no value), again, we'll see, i trust Morey, i'm just not sure Knight with pick/s will net us something better than what Ryan with pick/s would've, espeically if Knight isn't going to get better on the court.
But you have to give Suns incentive to do the trade lol. It was a fair trade Brandon Knight was a proven vet scoring 16 ppg before he got injured, nobody could have predicted he would turn out so useless this season. OTH Scrubberson's stock had taken a massive dive he is coming off injury like BK and he had multiple 0 0 0 nights in the playoffs. Melton was needed to sweeten the pot otherwise PHX wouldn't bother.
Yeah, the Suns had no reason to do that trade without getting back some value, and they saw that in Melton. As for Knight yeah, while i do agree that if/when healty he is better than Anderson, i personally i don't have great hopes we'll get him back at his best after the problems he had and after the Suns gave up on him since they might have the best medical staff in the league (at least that's what i remember reading multiple times). And considering he wasn't playing for more than a year, and that his contract is not so much worse eh...i wasn't exactly happy with the trade, and you know i wanted Ryan out as much as you, never wanted him here in fact, but i just call the trade like i see it, again, as today. Not terrible, but definitely not good, let's say...
