Rumor: Osama Bin Laden caught

FranchiseBlade · Jan 23, 2004

Originally posted by Oski2005
There has to be one mofo on the inside who is thinking about how great it would be to get that reward money
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Let's start a crack commando squad like A-Team and go after him for the money. I'll be Murdock. Rim could be Hannibal, or ... everybody choose your A-Team personality for our BBS commando unit to go after Bin Lade for the $$. We'll donate a new server and upkeep out of our reward cash.

TheFreak · Jan 23, 2004

Originally posted by F.D. Khan
The problem is that I've been to North Pakistan years ago mountain climbing and i've seen the terrain. It is so treacherous and is filled with underground caves and mountainous people that have no idea what century it is. How can you find someone in that kind of terrain??

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Just vote for Dean. He'll find him.

nyquil82 · Jan 23, 2004

did anyone read those reports that we didnt catch saddam but the kurds did? i was reading about these reports overseas but i cant find anything here in the states.

I read that the kurds caught saddam, sold him to the US soldiers, left him in this hole, drugged up with a briefcase so it looked like he was "on the run" but too high to kill himself, and the soldiers scripted a plan to look like they 'caught' him. cant find the article over here, but it would explain a lot why he didnt kill himself before he got caught.

ROXRAN · Jan 23, 2004

Usama has to really and truly be our generations' "anti-Christ" fully equipped with the fullest range of demonic powers...besides didn't Nostradamus predict the fifth anti-christ would come from the Middle-east right before the great war?

I wonder who are the other four? So far I have confirmed: Napoleon, Hitler, Gore...who else?

I really hope we get him soon!

Deuce Rings · Jan 23, 2004

Why does everyone presume that Osama Bin Laden still walks this earth? I'm not a foot soldier in Afghanistan, but all the evidence I've heard makes me think he is either hiding in Pakistan, a place that the U.S. is not free to conduct a search in, or dead and buried where we will never find him. Not one shred of proof shows that this guy is still alive and in charge.

SamFisher · Jan 23, 2004

Originally posted by Deuce Rings
Why does everyone presume that Osama Bin Laden still walks this earth? I'm not a foot soldier in Afghanistan, but all the evidence I've heard makes me think he is either hiding in Pakistan, a place that the U.S. is not free to conduct a search in, or dead and buried where we will never find him. Not one shred of proof shows that this guy is still alive and in charge.
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Because he keeps releasing audiotapes that talk about the occupation of Iraq and other current events...and that the FBI and CIA verify is him.

He might not be in charge, but he is still having an effect; which is almost worse than if he were in charge, as it shows the organization can exist without him:

Tue 6 Jan 2004

Bin Laden the master of the tape-recorded message

GETHIN CHAMBERLAIN

EVEN before the 11 September attacks on New York and Washington, Osama bin Laden had proved himself a master of the tape-recorded message.

Three months before the planes slammed into the World Trade Centre and the Pentagon, a video of the al-Qaeda leader was circulating among Muslim militants in the Middle East featuring bin Laden posing with a traditional Yemeni dagger and reciting a poem referring to the attack on the USS Cole. After the success of 11 September, he released another tape to the al-Jazeera television network, its publication timed to coincide with the US response.

Since then, he has issued a series of audio and video recordings, taunting the US and its allies and urging Muslims to take up arms against them. So concerned was Downing Street about the messages that it warned broadcasters that bin Laden could be using them to send messages to his supporters.

The video tapes dried up after analysis of the rock formations in the background of one enabled coalition forces to pinpoint the location where it was shot, but the audio tapes have continued to surface, almost always on the Arabic satellite broadcaster that showed the first post-11 September message.

At first they did not appear to bear any relation to subsequent events. But since 2002, a pattern has started to emerge. First comes the taped message, then, a little while later, the al-Qaeda attack. Security analysts believe that rather than using the tapes to send out detailed instructions, it is the broadcast of the message itself that is the signal to launch a new wave of attacks.

And with the broadcasting of a new message at the weekend, coupled with other information picked up by security services in the US, the fear this time is that, devastating though the network’s car bombs have been, they are now planning something far more spectacular.

One US private-sector intelligence company, IntelCenter, has analysed the timing of recent messages and attacks, and come to the conclusion that there is an inescapable connection.

Between January 2002 and December 2003, bin Laden issued six audio tapes. According to Ben Venzke, the chief executive of IntelCenter, all but two of those tapes preceded al-Qaeda attacks by between one and 43 days.

"You can see the correlation quite clearly," he said. "I don’t think it is simply coincidental. It could be a ‘go message’, an indication for people to launch an attack after they hear the message, or they could be releasing a tape knowing that an attack is coming.

"We would say, looking at the release of audio tapes, that if the past is any record of a trend, we would expect a higher likelihood of an attack in the next 43 days. Combined with the other threat information there is an extremely great risk.

"There is more concern about an attack on the US at this time than at any other point in the last two years."

He said he believed that there was also a likelihood of further attacks on Saudi Arabian soil, but they would not constitute the major strike indicated by intelligence information."

Based on this analysis, IntelCenter predicts that the release of the latest audio tape, combined with other current intelligence, indicates a significant risk of a major al-Qaeda attack occurring before 2 February.

The evidence of a correlation between the tapes and attacks is supported by Professor Paul Wilkinson, from St Andrews University’s Centre for the Study of Terrorism and Political Violence.

"It is a rough guide and I think the message is typical of bin Laden - condemnation of allies of the US and a call to attack US forces, the sort of thing they can do.

"They are very much in business and the main core of the message is to scotch rumours that he has been bypassed in the organisation. He is still there. They have replaced their previous director of operations but I think bin Laden still dictates the strategy.

"I think the tapes are used to send messages to operatives. They are both propaganda to the Muslim world to show this is a jihad which is going to succeed and partly to boost the morale of his followers. I would anticipate an attack in the near future.

"I think the US is right to be on a heightened state of alert. Al-Qaeda are very desperate to show that they can still attack the US homeland, but they can also attack US targets abroad, and that is complicating things for the US."

The first message cited by IntelCenter was broadcast on 7 October 2002. In it a male voice identified as Osama bin Laden warned that the "youths of God" were planning more attacks against the US.

On 12 November 2002 a tape- recording of a voice said to be bin Laden warned of attacks on US allies who continued to back the "White House gang of butchers". In the tape, broadcast by al-Jazeera, the speaker accused the US and its allies of harming Muslims in the Palestinian territories and other areas, and warned: "As you kill, you will be killed".

Later the same month, on 28 November, 15 people died when suicide bombers drove a jeep packed with explosives into a hotel in Mombasa, Kenya. The bombing came after an unsuccessful attack using a Russian-made surface-to-air missile against a chartered Israeli jet carrying 261 passengers as it took off from Mombasa.

On 7 April 2003, a tape featuring a speaker identified by the CIA as bin Laden urged Muslims to rise up against Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other governments it claimed were "agents of America". The speaker called for suicide attacks against US and British interests to "avenge the innocent children" of Iraq.

The next month, on 13 May, a wave of suicide bombings against residential compounds in the Saudi capital Riyadh killed 34 people. A known al-Qaeda operative in Afghanistan was reported to have orchestrated the attack.

Three days later, at least 41 people died in a string of suicide bomb attacks in Casablanca, Morocco. The attack was blamed on al-Qaeda and led to the arrest of dozens of Islamic extremists.

On 18 October 2003, bin Laden appeared in a video urging Arabs and Muslims to martyrdom.

The speaker said: "You should carry out jihad holy war ... You should know that this war is a new crusade against the Islamic world and is a fateful war for the whole Muslim nation."

On 8 November 2003 at least 18 people died in a suicide bombing of the Muhaya housing compound in Riyadh. An al-Qaeda operative later claimed responsibility for the attack. Four days later al-Qaeda was blamed for the bombing of the Italian military police headquarters in Nasiriyah, Iraq, in which 28 people died.

On 15 November 2003 bombers struck two synagogues in Istanbul, killing at least 23 people and injuring more than 300. Al-Qaeda later claimed responsibility.

On 20 November 2003, two massive car bombs exploded in the heart of Istanbul, killing the British consul-general, his personal assistant and at least 25 others, with an estimated 450 more injured.

On 4 January this year, a new tape was broadcast, in which a voice. identified by the US and Britain as bin Laden’s, urged Muslims to "continue the jihad to check the conspiracies that are hatched against the Islamic nation."

The fear is that, this time, he may have given the signal for a spectacular to rival 11 September.

This article:

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=15162004
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Woofer · Jan 23, 2004

43 days is a pretty long delay. One could point to the discredited women in close contact/synchronized menstrual periods study for a comparison...

MacBeth · Jan 23, 2004

I personally believe that an Osama capture/death is an eventual certainty, if only because it might be how he feels he can best serve his cause. That he has been free so long since 9-11 unfortunately has already proven all they wanted to about the limitations of US power, and has allowed plenty of time to organize Al Qaeda without him. Based on many things he has said, and based on the practical limitations of his current status, it seems to me that if we don't catch him some time soon, he will make himself quite apparent to us. From his perspective, his options are to become The Old Man on the Mountain, or a martyr. Every decision he has made in his adult life points towards him choosing the latter.

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