Depends on the context. As I said, relative to all other players in the league, he was an average 3 point shooter during his tenure here. Relative to guys that shoot a lot of 3s, he was below average during his tenure here.
then in your context guys like covington and danny green are below average then during ariza's tenure. if that's what you want to believe then by all means do so what are all these below average shooters doing shooting 3's. also looking at lillard, EG, lou williams, middleton, harden, kuzma
Are we talking about high volume 3 point shooters? Guys that shoot as many 3s as Ariza did during his last stint here? There's 16 players in the league that shot that many 3s per game (6.9). Of those 16 players, Covington was 10th, Ariza 11th, Harden 12, Lillard 13th and Gordon 14th. Among that group of 16, do you consider 10 out of 16 to be below average? 11th? 14th. To answer your question, among the high volume 3 point shooters all of those guys are below average. The other guys that you mentioned (Williams, Middleton, Kuzma and Green ) didn't shoot as many 3s as Ariza. Green is a career 39.6% shooter from behind the arc but he had a couple of years where he had difficulty with his shot but it appears to be back as he's currently shooting 44%. Just because a player shoots a large number of 3s doesn't make him a great 3 point shooter. Last season Gerald Green put up 7.3 threes per game. Do you consider Green to be a really good 3 point shooter? I don't .He is one of the 16 players that shot as many 3s per game as Ariza. In fact, he had the 9th best percentage of the group finishing ahead of Ariza, Harden, Lillard, Covington and Gordon. Harden isn't elite because of his 3 point shooting. He's elite because he is devastating going to the hoop, he's unguardable in ISO, he gets to the line more than anyone, he's an elilte passer and he also shoots 3s. All of those things make Harden elite. If Harden just shot 3s (as Ariza did) then he wouldn't be elite either. Guys like Harden and Gordon are streaky 3 point shooters. Everyone remembers the games where they can't miss but they also have games where they struggle. That lack of consistency is what prevents them from being a great 3 point shooter over the course of a season. Luckily for Harden he can score other ways and he still contributes with his passing.
i don't consider them below average shooters at all and i would love for any of those guys to be shooting 3s on my team. looks like personnel all across the league feel the same way. I wouldn't want "below average shooters" taking as many shots as they do. nvm the fact that most of these guys are widely regarded as some of the better shooters in the league. They're respectable/average at the very least. But i guess in your terms they're "below average" To each its own
You're mixing context again. I said that relative to all players in the league that they were average 3 point shooters. Go back and look at my previous post. I also said that relative to guys that shoot the volume that Ariza shot that they were below average. That is true. Let's make it simple. Among the 16 guys that shot as many 3s as Ariza, do you agree that Harden, Lillard , Ariza and Covington were below average? I believe that most reasonable people would agree that 10 through 14th out of a field of 16 makes you below average. Now., Among all players in the league, do you agree that they are average 3 point shooters? All of those guys shoot right around league average on 3s.. So as I said, relative to all players in the league they are average. (That's context #1) Relative to the players that shot 3s as much as Ariza, they are below average (That's context #2) Please don't take my reply to one context and imply that it was my reply to the other context.
Now., Among all players in the league, do you agree that they are average 3 point shooters? All of those guys shoot right around league average on 3s.. the whole point of the post from the beginning
Um, not get involved in this argument. Couldnt Harden and Lillard(though idk as much for him) be considered above average shooters because they take so many threes off the dribble? I remember hearing a stat that Harden barely gets assisted on any of his 3s, which is actually really crazy.
I posted this in a different thread: There are two names that fit the bill. One of them is risky due to injury concerns which may make him easier to get. After racking my brain for a Ariza/Luc replacement, and now a Ryno replacement since Melo is gone, it comes down to Aminu and/or Harkless. Aminu is 6’9 with a 7’3 to 7’4 wingspan. Plus defender. He shoots the 3 close to 36% and gets about 8 rebounds a game. He’s just turned 28 and is on the last year of his contract and is making just under 7 mil this year. He would be the ideal addition to our team under the current circumstances. Harkless is 6’8 with a 7’2 wingspan. Plus defender. He shot 42.5% from 3 in 59 games last season, and is at 37.5% in just 5 games this year. He is only 25 and is scheduled to make roughly 10 mil this year and 11 mil next year which is the final year of his contract. The risk with a Harkless is his recent injury history. Which I think may be the reason why Portland could be enticed to deal him. Portland was rumored to be interested in Melo summer before last. Both Dame and CJ openly lobbied for him. Zack Collins has played well this year and so has Evan Turner. Melo could be a good fit off the bench. The Rockets have to do something and a gamble may be needed. If it is at all possible to get both of them if we offered a similar package to the one we reported offered for Butler. Maybe with 1 - 2 picks instead. I’d even entertain putting EG in the deal and just hope Knight gets healthy. Aminu and Harkless fit the profile of what we need. Not flashy but effective ala Ariza/Luc. Younger and even more upside in our system. I don’t know what Morey is doing or thinking but I hope he would at least consider these two as serious options moving forward. It would take a smaller overall package than the Jimmy B proposal and they are cheap and would fit perfectly in our system.
Players take the shots that they are most comfortable with. Some guys shoot better off the dribble others are better as a catch and shoot guy. You are correct that Harden doesn't get assisted almost all of his 3s but that doesn't mean that he's a great catch and shoot 3 point shooter. This year Harden is shooting 36% overall on 3 pointers but he's only shooting 31.3% on catch and shoot 3 pointers. Last year Harden shot 36.7% on 3 pointers but he only shot 33.1% on catch and shoot 3 pointers. Harden's three point shooting is really streaky. When he's on he pretty much hits from anywhere. When he's off, he struggles from everywhere.
But if you look at the previous years(I think nba.com only tracks back as far as 2013-2014) you will see that he actually hits in the 37-40% range on 2-3 attempts per game. And he has the most attempts on pull up 3s(by quite a margin) and hes hitting 38.5%. So is he what you call an elite shooter....ehhhh prolly not, but I think we could settle on him being above average, yea?
I still don't see how this guy can be a starter 3 for a championship team. I'm sorry he is more of a 7th -8th man bench guy to spare the starters
Uh Ariza is just shooting 34% from three right NOW, and an abysmal 36% from the field right NOW. Ennis is shooting better on the Rockets right NOW than Ariza at ANY period in his entire Rockets career, all 5 seasons. (44% and 40%). How do you like them apples?
notice how you didn't read his tenure here. but yeah of course that doesn't matter bc it doesnt go along with your agenda but wait didnt you say the sample size was way too small. or which is it? a few games, its ok at this point bc it works for your agenda. right
5 YEARS sample size on Ariza. Ennis is shooting close to his CAREER average over 4 full seasons, you can correlate a small sample size against a larger sample size of 220 games played. I have ZERO agenda, I just hate seeing such total BS thrown around.
such as your posts. if you're going to have a discussion take the full context, not just what you can only see fitting for yourself. you're talking about a player who's never had a full season ever with a prominent role in his "CAREER"
That's it? That's your response that 220 games are not a decent sample size? Find something better, please.
thats it? you mean out of a possible 328 games, 220 in which his role has been absolutely proven. got it. what a great ratio. awesome logic. superkev basketball guru confirmed. classic response btw his career high in 3 pt attempts in his whole career 153. but according to superkev. proven. nice. its a little over how many reps youve gotten in 20 years being here
