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I put out a statement yesterday and that's all I'm gonna say about it

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  1. Carl Herrera

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    This is what a leader looks like.
     
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    Both teams played hard.
     
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    Looks like the old biddy that like to make Lynching Jokes


    Cindy Hyde-Smith: Senator's 'public hanging' joke criticised

    A Republican senator from Mississippi is facing criticism for a joke she made about lynching.

    Cindy Hyde-Smith was filmed praising a cattle rancher, saying: "If he invited me to a public hanging, I'd be on the front row."

    She is facing a run-off later this month against a black Democrat in a state with a history of race killings.

    Her opponent, Mike Espy, called the comment "reprehensible" but she says the reaction has been overblown.

    The video was published on Twitter on Sunday by a Mississippi blogger, and showed Ms Hyde-Smith meeting supporters.

    No other context for the comment was offered in the clip.



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  4. NewRoxFan

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    Wow... he thought this made her lynching statement any betetr?

     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    She made a tone deaf joke. Does it make her a racist? Depends on what you define as a racist. Most people aren't outright racist - most people don't think blacks are less than whites - consciously.

    She obviously doesn't give a crap about black people, that much is clear
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    I think the kinds of racism most folks engage in is simply treating races differently. It isn't about consciously thinking one race is better or worse. But when they think that one race would be a better manager or accountant, or coach, or whatever then we are talking about some form of racism. It isn't the worst but it is still racism.
     
  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    But that's not how most racism works. It's not that someone thinks that a white person would make a better accountant. It's that they are more comfortable with the white accountant than the black one - so they critique and find flaws in the black account while they overlook them in the white accountant - this way in their mind, the white accountant is better than the black accountant based on merit.

    That's why racists say they aren't racist. "Oh, the white accountant was the better candidate". But the thing is, to them, they are almost always going to pick the white accountant and always feel like they are making a rational not racial decision. That's how the human mind works.
     
  8. FranchiseBlade

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    Yes, that sounds like the same thing to me. They are treating someone differently based on their race. They are excusing flaws in one race and highlighting them in the other race.
     
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  9. Carl Herrera

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    1. I don't think she attends Klan rallies or something like that. She may even have black friends.

    However,

    2. Making a tone-deaf joke does say something about the Senator, who should be aware of such things. She is not some ignorant middle-school student and should be held responsible.

    3. Repeatedly saying "both teams play hard" (or "I put out a statement yesterday and that's all I am gonna say") when people ask questions is not a great look for a U.S. Senator. Does she not have the confidence to explain herself in her own words rather than the words drafted by her PR people?
     
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    But they aren't aware they are doing that - and that's the key. There is probably only a small sliver of the population that can actually admit to themselves they are racists. Usually those are not the people in a position of power.

    Most racism, and the racism that hurts people, is done unconsciously. People who supported Jim Crow laws didn't think they were racists - they thought it made sense and was fair. Only because some very brave people stood up and decided to challenge that idea did everyone now come to realise how horribly racist they were - but it wasn't obvious to the people who benefited from them at the time.

    And that's the situation you have today. People railing against illegal immigration, or Muslims and etc don't think they are racist at all. They think their positions are logical because they rationalize their emotional feelings into a justifiable logic that allows them to feel good about themselves. That's why when you point out their racist they react the way they do.

    To win them over is hard, because they don't want to be won over and will find any excuse to hold on to their unconsciously racist view. That's why it only takes one violent act by a black person at a protest for the entire movement to be dismissed. Gandhi understood this very well, which is why he'd use fasting as a means to control the quit India movement. He's knew if there was any violence whatsoever the British people would never come to realize their occupation was wrong and racist. MLK was heavily influenced by this. This is the flaw of BLM - they didn't get the message when it comes to fighting racism through a movement. It's why the Palestinians are losing land. Intifada II was Arafat's biggest mistake. He should have known that he could not control his people at that time.
     
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    I agree. They don't have an idea because there are so many things they can point to that show they aren't typical Klan members. I think art and entertainment can help to reach some people with the right message.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    And leadership. When people you truly respect can say, hey this is a real problem and here's why - then they listen. That's why when Bush after 9/11 said not to touch a woman just because he covered her face that was powerful.

    But when leadership does the opposite, then racism grows as the person they respect is endorsing their world view and making them feel they are right all along. That is why racism is on the rise. Trump plays on people's fears around race and makes them feel like it's ok to not like minorities. That is his how he won the election.
     
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    I dunno
    I can see her attending a Klan Rally

    Rocket River
     
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    :rolleyes: Only a person obsessed with race would make a post like this thinking all people use race as one of the top criteria for most decisions they make.
     
  15. NewRoxFan

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    OK, tell me the reasonable explanation for saying what she said in Mississippi?
     
  16. FranchiseBlade

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    The post you quoted doesn't really claim anything you are talking about. It states that the people who make those kinds of decisions my not even be aware they are doing it.
     
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    Lazy and weak response. The poster you quoted stated rather eloquently why actions like this are racist, and why people committing racist actions probably do not consider themselves racists.

    Your rebuttal? I know you are, but what am?

    Hahaha, in addition to being lazy in weak, it is at least kind of funny.
     
  18. ima_drummer2k

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    I think it's a very disrespectful way to handle a press conference.

    Sincerely,

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  19. edwardc

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    There is no reasonable explanation for what she said it would be like if someone called her a *unt for no reason.
     

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