i'm a huge webber fan and i would love if we can get him here in houston just because of the respect factor that he commands. but have yall been noticing the kings games of late? it seems that webber plays "cato-ish" defense alot and he rarely hustles. yes, he does gets his 25-30 points but it takes 23-30 shots. he settles for the jump shot too much and if it's off he will continue to shoot it until the fourth quarter when it's time to get serious. Another note: he runs as if he has bad knees with his baby steps. all i'm saying is don't get your hopes on this guy coming here because i think we can contenders next year without him. we already have a jump shooting power forward with a better jumper and ball handling skill in mo taylor. i say re-sign mo to a cuttino mobley type contract and let carrol dawson put in him through extensive big man workouts. cd never could do that last summer because he was busy recruiting mo all summer. another reason for suspicion on webber is the fact that all of the western power forwards have all had great games against webber especially duncan and garnett. so i say re-sign mo, go after antonio davis or raef lafrentz and seal up our frontline with blue collar workers. and with the zone in effect next year, lafrentz will help out perfect because he can play inside and step out and bury the jumper. these are just my observations on webber and and the upcoming off-season. ------------------
With the possibility of the Bucks first round pick and if Orlando gives us the mavericks pick being almost back to back picks, that gives the rockets a very powerfull position in the draft even though both picks are going to be in the lower 20s. The rockets are probably not going to have enough room on there roster for three rookies because of free agents they will want to go after in the offseason. Why not dangle a package of the bucks pick and mavericks pick if we get it to Denver who probably wont have a first round pick in this years so called deep draft for Raef Lafrenz. Just an idea. ------------------
I'm pretty sure those picks (~12, 22, 23) and Shandon and Cato could be used for a veteran player who can rebound (a center or a small forward). My enthusiasm for Webber has waned somewhat anyway. I just wish the Kings would weaken in the off-season, giving us more breathing room in the West. ------------------
you know j-bone, all you have to do is go to nba.com to look up stats. Webber take 23 shots per game. Not 23-30. And he takes less than Dream did that's for sure. Last year he took 20. Every other year he took less than 20. He is also the best passing big man, and he has the assist totals to back it up. Year-end-and-year-out in the top 3 or 4 in assists for a big man. And this year, he is having an MVP year. Go figure.
yes, i agree that webber is having a mvp typeseason and i would love for him to don the pajamas for the rockets. bus all that i'm saying is let's not make webber our only option this offseason. i truly believe that if webber isn't available that the combination of mo taylor and/or raef lafrentz, antonio davis would work as well. i'm pretty sure that mo can average 20-22 points a game off of 23 shots also. but one of the main reasons that webber is having this type of seaon is because of peja providing that second scorer for the kings and the addition os christie. it allows webber to roam more freely and with peja on the same side as webber no one going to double-down on webber, leaving him one-on-one. just imagine if iverson had a second scorer to compliment his game. he would average around 35 per game easily. same for stackhouse and t-mac. to make a long story short, if we get webber i will be ecstatic. but if not there is positives to go along with it being that you could pick up two players this offseason without depleting your roster because keep in mind that if he decides to come to houston i'll bet that both webber and sacramento would want to do a sign and trade to benefit both parties( sac gets something out of this and webber get the max, in which sac can offer the most) ------------------
I agree with heypartner. Webber is a much better all around big man than Mo. We will never get to the next level with Mo as our PF. I would just as soon see Kenny Thomas get the PT. I like his foot work and his hustle for rebounds. Mo is a good PF but, not good enough to win titles with. ------------------
Mo is definitely good enough to win with. Just like Kenny Smith and Vernon Maxwell were good enough to win with. Mo is a better power forward than they were guards. ------------------ "It's like saying there isn't enough offense in football, so let's go to three downs." --Rudy T on zone defenses in the NBA
It's the rebounding with Mo', and Webber is a little taller with longer arms, no? I believe Mo' has passing instincts, too. Mo' has a lot of similarities to Webber, imo. In fact, his game is most similar to Webber out of the superstars that come to mind. Just stop letting Marion jump over you Mo'!!
OT -- What does this quote have to do with Webber being better than Mo? I never said Mo was as good as Webber. I said he was good enough to win with. ------------------ "It's like saying there isn't enough offense in football, so let's go to three downs." --Rudy T on zone defenses in the NBA
Sure we don't need Webber, and will still improve w/out him, but with him we will jump right into the mess of contenders in the West. If we don't get him though, I'm content with Mo and maybe bringing in Raef or A.Davis. "Mo is a good PF but, not good enought to win titles with" O we can win titles with him...remember, Chucky Brown was our starting PF in '95. ------------------
Mo or Webber aren't the only deciding factors in being a contender. I believe we can be top 4 in the west without webber, it just depends how the draft and acquiring other free-agents go. There are plenty of options at C in the draft and in free-agents, and there are lots of options for sf in the draft. That being said, we should draft a good starting sf, then go after either Marc Jackson, Antonio Davis, or Nazr Mohammed, and have Hakeem back one of them up. ------------------ Greatness is not a singular act, it is a habit. You are what you repeatedly do.
Freak. The title of the thread stated that we did not need Webber. In my opion, we do or at least a PF that is better than MO. But, that's just my opinion. ------------------
Actually Hakeem's highest total for FGA per game is only 21.45 in 94-95 when he averaged 28 ppg. ------------------
your right.. He is way to expensive and is waaaayyy to overrated. I mean he isnt that good. Sheesh... yeah right... Webber would make this team a AUTOMATIC top 4 seed. Stop making stupid comments..... ------------------
Hang on a second. I agree that Webber is much better than Mo right now, but come on. Mo is only 23! To say he will NEVER be as good as Webber is unfair to Mo. Give the guy a chance to develop before you say that he will never be as good as Webber. ------------------ Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon is the greatest player in the history of basketball. If you disagree, you are not a Rocket fan. Protrolls.com!
ZRB is right. Four years ago I'll bet there were quite a few people who would have said Webber wasn't a championship-caliber player. And they would be right. He wasn't. Time and maturity change a lot. And I think Mo is more mature at this age than Webber was. I say lock up Mo long-term and let a Mobley-Francis-Taylor core mature together. Webber would definitely make us contenders next year, but in the long run I would rather have Mo. ------------------ Kenny Thomas had a foul called on him in the Western Conference Finals.
Webber's 1st 4 years YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 93-94 GSW 76 76 32.1 .552 .000 .532 4.00 5.10 9.10 3.6 1.22 2.16 2.71 3.30 17.5 94-95 WAS 54 52 38.3 .495 .276 .502 3.70 5.90 9.60 4.7 1.54 1.57 3.09 3.40 20.1 95-96 WAS 15 15 37.2 .543 .441 .594 2.50 5.10 7.60 5.0 1.80 .60 3.27 3.40 23.7 96-97 WAS 72 72 39.0 .518 .397 .565 3.30 7.00 10.30 4.6 1.69 1.90 3.19 3.60 20.1 MO's 1st 4 yrs YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF TOT APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG 97-98 LAC 71 3 21.3 .476 .000 .709 1.70 2.50 4.20 .7 .48 .56 1.51 3.10 11.5 98-99 LAC 46 45 32.7 .461 .167 .728 2.20 3.10 5.30 1.5 .35 .63 2.61 3.90 16.8 99-00 LAC 62 60 35.9 .464 .125 .711 1.50 4.90 6.50 1.6 .82 .77 2.73 3.50 17.1 00-01 HOU 69 69 28.6 .489 .000 .735 1.60 3.90 5.50 1.5 .41 .55 1.81 3.00 13.0 So should we wait until Mo tries to catch up with Weber? ------------------
Mo doesn't know rebound! Plus he is not the inside defensive presence that Webber is in terms of shot blocking. But Mo is a good fit for our team offensively - and would be a good PF for the team provided that we can get the right pieces in the frontline to cover up his inadequacies. A rebound hungry center like A.Davis and one of those big SF's who can rebound (and shoot) and play D would be prefect! Provided things work out and we find those pieces then I'm all for keeping Mo (as long as he signs the "small" contract) as he is young and will enable the team to continue to play together over a number of years and contend for a while! ------------------
Why is it whenever someone tries to make an arguement for KT, they bring up his footwork? Maybe he should be a dance instructor because your power forward has to shoot closer to 50% than 40%. Maybe if he shot it with his feet? j ------------------ Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb!
