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I defend Cat5 here---Stop bashing Cat time and time again!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ayears, Jan 22, 2004.

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  1. ayears

    ayears Member

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    Stop bashing Cat time and time again!

    I've been tired someone here always bashing and criticizing Cat,posting tade thread time and time again on him no matter how great efforts he makes.He's one of our BIG3 nominally but a supporting role in fact since JVG came HOUSTON. Still he willingly bear the burden of hard works and adjust to JVG's mode rapidly which's better than other players besides Cato.He also leads Rox in FT%(80.9%) and 3PT%(39.5%). He's a bargain considering his contract.To sum up he IS UNDERVALUED! So DON'T HAVE YOUR BLURRY EYES only towards Cat,OK?

    BTW,It's UNFAIR to only blame him not pass to Yao,ignored Yao at the offensive end,play a selfish way,etc.

    I accept Cuttino need improvement in pass skills.Also Basketball is a TEAM sport, you know.That means win is a team win while lose is a team lose.Five Rox on the court all have responsibility for pass,for defensive,for offensive,etc.

    What about other Rox guys pass skills? Just so-so except JJ/Mark Jacson/Yao,i think.

    What about Cat's D? Watch the games---He matched Allon Iverson/Tracy Mcgrady/Kobe, etc.You will get the answer.

    What about Cat's offensive? He's just the 3rd option in Rox (his shot attempts rank 2nd only because he's a guard who's unlike center need pass from high post every time)with STATS like this:

    Here's a link of stats of mobley

    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/cuttino_mobley/index.html?nav=page

    http://www.nba.com/rockets/stats/
     
    #1 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
  2. DaDakota

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    The problem is not necessarily Cat, and not necessarily Steve, it is that they are the same type of player.

    The Rockets need a pass first PG and keep either Steve or Cat....

    Then I think they will take off.

    Watch how well the team runs with MJ at the point and SF or CM at the 2......

    Much better.

    DD
     
    #2 DaDakota, Jan 22, 2004
  3. Rockets2K

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    ayears, Im glad you see it..could you convince a few others around here to layoff the guy? ;)

    Cat tries hard...and he brings many things to the table that we can use....IF people dont see the improvement from last year to this year in Cats game...they are simply blind or biased


    Dak,
    I understand that the conventional wisdowm says that they are the same but I dont necessarily fully agree...
    Cat actually can lockdown opposing players where SF's D is average at best....Cat also shoots better...He slashes to the hole better...I think he is also quicker than SF..

    I would hate to have to get rid of either one of them...Its never a good idea to get rid of talented players..

    That said, I must admit I saw a difference in how everything went with MJ running the point..especially when SF was still in with him.

    I see why some want to make SF a 2...by allowing him to concentrate more on scoring...he seemed more comfortable and stroked the couple of shots he took while playing in that configuration

    If we could convince Cat that he was still just as important coming off the bench like Mo does....our bench would be truely outstanding.

    Imagine having a second unit coming in that would not lose any scoring when some of the starters sat down.

    I still think SF can do the job, but at least I start to understand why some of you are so emphatic about moving SF to the 2 with a better passer.....I just happen to think that SF can learn to do the job himself. His improvement so far this year has been promising.
     
    #3 Rockets2K, Jan 22, 2004
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    Cat isn't on the same page with Yao. He has no future here.

    Just say goodbye.
     
    #4 pasox2, Jan 22, 2004
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    I would like to see Cat stay and Steve traded. Steve is the leader of this team and I don't like the direction he's trying to take the Rockets. Trade Steve, let JJ be the leader and I think you'll see Cat become an even better SG.
     
    #5 ArtV, Jan 22, 2004
  6. Deuce Rings

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    Actually, lately I haven't heard more than a peep about Cat on this board. Seems to me that the general consensus around here is that he is getting the job done.
     
    #6 Deuce Rings, Jan 22, 2004
  7. NBAsticker

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    bashing Cat does not mean that we trade CAT or something like. Most of us may hope CAT plays a significant role in ROX.

    Even if I bash CAT sometimes, I love CAT very much. What I hope is CAT could communicate with YAO ont he court. When CAT feel cold in shooting, he should find the other guys to finish shooting. That is good for team.

    CAT works very hard and can get along with YAO very well. ROX have been in a good shape. CAT definitely has his position in this team.
     
    #7 NBAsticker, Jan 22, 2004
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    I'm glad MJ played well, but to automatically say some of the things after 16 minutes and when Yao had been on the bench most of the time before they blew it open isn;t really a fair assessment. I mean Mooch had runs like that and look what ended up. Let's see after a few more games....
     
    #8 ricerocket, Jan 22, 2004
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    Two of the big knocks some seem to have about Cat are his passing and his decisions..

    well, I was inspired by Clutch's recap to check Cat's assist and his turnovers for the last 6 games..

    I am taking the last 6 since imo that is the length of time the Rockets have been noticably playing a better team game..

    Cat

    5.5 assists
    1.5 turnovers

    not too shabby for a SG....what needs major improvement is his shooting percentage...only 43%..but Cat has always been a streaky shooter.

    His main strength right now is his defense..that isnt easy to replace for the price.

    Some of his shot selections can still be improved...but damn...he doesnt deserve all the heat he gets around here.
     
    #9 Rockets2K, Jan 22, 2004
  10. Toast

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    Did anyone else notice in the 1st half vs. NY when MJ was inserted into the line-up & SF played the 2 guard ... SF was running much harder and playing WAY more aggressive (off the ball) than I think I've EVER seen him play. I was wondering why I've never seen him run so hard and play like that without the ball before. Was he working harder 'cause MJ was in the game?

    I also notice Cat already is making friends with MJ, laughing it up on the court and on the bench.

    Sorry, didn't mean to hijack.
     
    #10 Toast, Jan 22, 2004
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    Because he usually has the ball.....
     
    #11 ricerocket, Jan 22, 2004
  12. Toast

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    Nah, not when Moochie or Wilks runs the point & SF plays the 2.
     
    #12 Toast, Jan 22, 2004
  13. ayears

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    Exactly!

    Though I'm reluctant to see either of them traded,it's likely to move a trade relate to them or Cato. Otherwise we have no way to get a good PF or a true PG.

    Many fans here want to trade Cat5, move Steve to the 2 and get a bigger true PG that could play a consistent minutes a game. But they neglect Cat's bargain contract really leads us have a deficit in trade. Cat's undervalued considering his contract yet Cato's overpaid contract fit higgled well.So if we have to trade certain players, Cato's a best choice,i think.

    Hopefully we can keep both SF and Cat in Rox which depends on the adjustment to true PG for SF.If SF fail to do that,anything can happen in a year or two.
     
    #13 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
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    I like what you said, but I would hate to trade either of those guys. I think those 3 guys should share the time at the two positions and we kind of get a mix of both worlds.

    I think we should rotate MJ in only when Yao is in the game, and when Yao is out it should always be Steve and Cat running the show slashing in the middle.
     
    #14 RocketManJosh, Jan 22, 2004
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    Me too!

    Yup.He've been trying to improve and adjusting to be a true playmaker all along this season.I see it!
     
    #15 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
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    How can you say that???

    Give me your reasons to support it!
     
    #16 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
  17. ayears

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    Just look down from your post.Got it? NBAsticker is one of those who posted a topic like---'CAT must be punished by JVG' which launched a criticism campaign to Cat5.
     
    #17 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
  18. ayears

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    So look before you leap when you start a post like that---'CAT must be punished by JVG' Such post would mislead someone to bash Cat.

    Glad to hear that!
    BTW,Yao once said Cat is his friend indeed who help him a lot in his Rookie Year.So I think Cat and Yao have a good commnication with each other both ON THE COURT ANG OFF COURT.


    :D
     
    #18 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
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    If it came to a choice between Francis and Cat at the 2, I'd take Cutino and trade Francis.
     
    #19 tothomas, Jan 22, 2004
  20. ayears

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    Thanks for your recap lookup! :)

    At least he deserves it in my heart.
     
    #20 ayears, Jan 22, 2004
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