Substitute these killings with a brown Muslim and just imagine the insanity that would be coming from our media especially on the right. Does that make you uncomfortable White guy Trumper?? Good... do better and make sure the people in your inner right wing circles do NOT become radicalized. This is on you.
Men need to do a better job of leading and mentoring other men. The “incel” movement shouldn’t be a real thing. It isn’t a surprise that so many are aligned with Trump and the extreme right, because they push the position of victimhood and the idea that it is a brown person or a woman or someone else’s fault that they fail; not their own. Sick of the politics of victimhood for the majority... males and usually white males.
If you look at this type of issue -- incel rage and violence -- these incidents are becoming more common. I agree that there is no justification for violently taking out one's frustrations on others. I also agree with the commenter that said if these men had guidance from fathers/father figures, it would go a long way toward preventing these types of incidents. You know what else would help prevent it? Legalizing the world's oldest profession. There's no reason that the government should be in people's bedrooms in this way. This is yet another case where the Libertarian POV would be of tremendous value to society. But our "Overton window" won't allow discussion of this. And it's also another case where Feminists and Tradcons hold hands, in opposition to such a policy.
I didn’t know there was such a movement. Clearly not right in the head and shouldn’t have access to gun.
Unfortunately, we have dear leader that is leading a generation of followers. What’s the chances that what fear leader said and do gets absorbed by not just his followers but the children of his followers? I think it’s a sure thing and will do lasting damages to that group of people. I somewhat get the angry altitude toward the other side, but I have a hard time with these people not understanding that condoning dear leader behaviors has a negative and lasting effect on their own children.
I don't think prostitution is an answer for the incel movement because that's already an back alley option if that was a cure. My limited understanding is of such a movement is that access to women should be freely given and of their choosing because it is what they deserve. Imagine following a PUA guide, but getting rejected. Misogyny and entitlement are the symptoms, debatable are the causes. I think the causes are due to a parental problem in teaching their kids how to handle failure, a societal stigma of not being in a relationship, and a cultural issue of objectifying women.
WTH? First of all, who isn't outraged by sex traffickers kidnapping young women and forcing them into prostitution? Second, what a strange time to engage in some whataboutism, responding to a thread about a racist and misogynist murdering women like you're trying to deflect blame. Wouldn't the better approach be to just condemn the guy and say this isn't what MAGA is about? Unless of course you think it is.
Well, I've heard it was actually started as a kind of positive support group, by a woman! But things went south when she found a partner and moved along. EDIT: not joking for once.
Mental Illness and that is ignored in this country for many reasons including sub-standard healthcare.
I don't agree with the entitlement and misogyny part; or, if I did, I think we all have to admit that female entitlement and misandry are things as well. But, you're correct about some of the other stuff. These guys want intimacy, and s@x is a part -- a big part, but only a part -- of that. Guys in general want relationships too (shocking I know). These are basic human desires, and shouldn't be lampooned. Then think of women's desire: most want to have children. If a husband can't be found, the state steps in by tapping the taxpayer's wallet (and men pay most of the taxes) to support the children. So the government subsidizes female desire, but it penalizes male desire; and not only by making "the profession" illegal. Just wait til taxpayers asked to fund IVF treatments. And then you begin to see the misandry of our system. But it can be seen in many other ways as well. And, the media doesn't help the incels either. We're all deluged with TV shows and movies and ads showing people (supposedly) in successful relationships and having (ahem) "fun." That's why it's generally a good idea, for many, to back away from mainstream media, and the narrative it offers. And, it must be admitted: many of the "incels" are just not mentally stable, which is really what causes their social isolation in the first place. I don't know that there are any easy answers, but the hypocrisy about what consenting adults do with their bodies for sure needs to go away; and might provide at least some "relief" to a few. Here's a question: why are there more crazy people committing mass violence these days? I have some politically incorrect thoughts, which I'll save for now. Part of the problem is that "institutions" for housing these people have gone away. And there's a lot of tricky issues there, too.
Oh for sure, there's female entitlement (men paying for dinner/drinks). It's just that statistically we aren't seeing mass killings by females because some guy didn't offer them one. The subgroup that would fall into a similar "female" incel group are the ones that have low self-esteem eating problems or suicidal. The paradigm shift occurred when women started working and no longer relied on a male breadwinner to survive. I believe this is for the betterment of society and women, but this leads us to some men getting left behind. I don't believe it's in societal interest to cater to the demands of those men, but rather finding ways to address their unhealthy attitudes which would probably lead them to health relationships with women. I have no idea what supporting children (welfare?) has anything to do with incels. I agree with legalization for prostitution for health and women safety reasons, but not any state funded sex for incels because I don't believe that solves their issues of intimacy (!= sex). Again, incel's aren't about sexual frustrations which would be relieved by fapping and internet p*rn. Their issue is that there is no formula that guarantees attractive women will immediately want a relationship with them, and they misplace that anger directed to their objects of desire instead of learning from failure. Incels are just another self-victimized group, but with no historical context of why they are a victim. Another coin of white genocide if you will.
Actually Feminist believe the opposite, they are against the criminalization of prostitution. Wrong again.
No, you are wrong. That was the old Feminism, circa 1960s-1970s. Not many of those exist anymore. Today's Feminism is about puritanism, and using that in any way to "punish" men. IMO, "Me Too" is part of this. There was an interesting article in The Atlantic, back in the 1990s by Wendy Kaminer IIRC, called "Feminism's identity crisis." It went into a lot of this stuff.
"#Me Too" isn't about punishing all men or puritanism. It is about punishing guilty men for sexual harassment. I also disagree that feminism isn't about puritanism and if it was, why would that be more of a punishment to men than it would be to women?
I'm pretty familiar with this stuff. Some say we are in 4th wave. And 3rd wave is virulently anti-male. Actually, almost all waves of Feminism are, except (maybe) the first wave. I assume you are familiar with Camille Paglia? Now, she is of the 60s feminist type, and she strongly criticizes the recent iterations, for the reasons I am setting forth here, and more. You might also check into Karen Straughan/Girl Writes What. She is pretty incisive on this stuff. Look at all the hype about "human trafficking." Is this actually happening? Probably so, to some extent. And to that extent, if somebody is being forced against their will, then the government has a role to try and stop it. But beyond that, both Tradcons and Feminists hold hands on using that cause to shut down "Things Men are Interested In." Looking at what they are charging Mr. Weinstein with. It's "human trafficking." He could probably be charged with a number of things (maybe) but I don't see how that is one of them. (And I think that case is going to fail because of it.) Some of you might remember a couple of things that happened right here in Houston. 1) Here in Houston, men's gentleman's clubs got hit with surcharges for their customers because they were supposedly aiding and abetting this "problem." But really, this is Shutting Down Things Men Like and Wealth Transfer. 2) Also, in Houston, 3-4 years ago, some adult expo received permission from the city and a hotel to show and sell their wares (which I imagine were videos and "devices") at some hotel. Then, the anti-traffickers got involved because they didn't like it. What did it have to do with trafficking? Nothing. But the Puritans, the Feminists and the Tradcons, didn't like it. They forced the hotel to cancel the event, accusing the expo of aiding and abetting "trafficking." The expo went to another hotel, and the Puritans shut that down too, even though both hotels had initially agreed to hold the event. Then, there is all the Me Too stuff, which is basically anti-male virtue signaling and wealth transfer. Me Too is the main (or one of the main) vehicles for feminism these days. You'll be hard pressed to disabuse me of the idea that the modern day Feminists are puritanical. I've seen too much evidence of it. (Dagnabit, I'm not doing a very good job of staying off this page.) (LOL)
