1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Its Obamacare Stupid

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by pgabriel, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013
    This is an old article from March but the ACA continues to poll higher. Republicans aren't even running on overturning it anymore

    The same thing happened with social security. The government takeover hype dies down and benefits kick in.

    I think another key in this is Democrats can start to crack the older Republican vote.

    I started fhis thread because news programs are taking notice of the change and Republicans changing their tone.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...macare-favorability-reaches-all-time-high?amp

    [
     
  2. John Oliver

    John Oliver Member

    Joined:
    Jul 3, 2017
    Messages:
    85
    Likes Received:
    50
    Trump took the teeth out of it by eliminating the **** You, Pay Me Ta- er, "individual mandate."
     
  3. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    24,199
    Likes Received:
    20,237
    Actually Republicans are just lying and saying things like “I support protecting pre-existing conditions” while at the same time sueing in order to remove pre-existing conditions.

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...rm-elections-preexisting-conditions-obamacare


    Republicans really ... Really think you Trump voters are incredibly stupid people. How does that make you feel?
     
  4. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    Obamacare doesn't exist anymore bro.

    It started dying the second Marco Rubio sabotaged the risk corridors, and has died a slow painful death as it has been eaten away at.

    Republicans own it now.
     
    B-Bob and No Worries like this.
  5. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013
    Delete
     
    #5 pgabriel, Oct 24, 2018
    Last edited: Oct 24, 2018
  6. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,639
    Republicans still have a very high disapproval rating for the ACA.
     
  7. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,449
    Likes Received:
    55,538
  8. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    15,394
    Likes Received:
    6,417
    Obamacare was never expected to survive. Period. Its only purpose was to break the stalemate.
     
  9. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013

    But Democrats started running from it because Democrat voters were turning on it.

    That trend has reversed. Obviously die hard Republicans will always be against it like social security but middle road Republicans will probably shift
     
  10. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,490
    Likes Received:
    17,493
    Hard to shift from something like ACA repeal when House members have voted 50+ times for the repeal, between 2010 and now.
     
  11. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    Uh no.

    Obamacare was a good faith attempt to actually make healthcare work for the American people.

    It wasn't perfect, but it was a decent starting point, until the Republicans sabotaged it
     
  12. Space Ghost

    Space Ghost Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    15,394
    Likes Received:
    6,417
    Uh no. you're being delusional.

    The individual mandate was the poison pill by design. Anyone who is being the least bit objective knows letting the private insurance business run the zoo would inevitably be a failure.

    The whole purpose was to get pre-existing coverage. Once that hook was in, no politician would touch it.

    Now all the Democrats needed was the Republicans to swallow the poison pill, which they did. Now its only a matter of time before pre-existing coverage is dumped into the governments hands and we eventually go to a government ran system. After that, premium healthcare will only be reserved for the well off ... much like it always has been.
     
  13. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    Yea, you are living in a fairy tale.

    Individual mandate was too increase the healthy pool, which is essential for the insurance model too work.

    If the goal was too just get pre-existing coverage, then they would have just passed a law saying that.
     
  14. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013

    But they aren't doing that anymore. Some things take time
     
  15. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,490
    Likes Received:
    17,493
    Republicans have conveniently changed their opinion on health care in the three month window prior to an election?
     
  16. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013
    Yes because its becoming its becoming more favorable.

    Is that unfathomable?
     
  17. No Worries

    No Worries Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 1999
    Messages:
    30,490
    Likes Received:
    17,493
    It is likely a flat lie to get re-elected, which if happens, we will likely see them change their mind back.

    Is that not the most likely scenario to fit the facts on the ground?
     
    Rocket River likes this.
  18. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013
    Why would they go back? They are following the electorate
     
  19. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 1999
    Messages:
    36,288
    Likes Received:
    26,639
    Among the Republican electorate, ACA still has a 75% or so unfavorable rating.
     
    Nook and pgabriel like this.
  20. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2002
    Messages:
    42,810
    Likes Received:
    3,013
    I read that the first time

    Its still more popular overall. In very red states like Texas its still popular to run against ir but in more moderate states Republicans are having to at least have an alternative
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now