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Sources: Rockets have eyes on Jimmy B

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by cyberx, Sep 18, 2018.

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JW86 said: ↑

Go to Clippers please, Beverley and him would be awesome together!
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Bev may bite Jimmy

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I'm not looking for support of my position. I choose to freely give this board my insights. If you look at my history of posts about players, especially young players, you will find that I have been right and "discovered" a lot of guys that even the national media types were overlooking. I know basketball. I have good eyes. I played the game. And since I got too old to really play I have watched a ton of basketball.....a ton. Like over 400 NBA games a season for the last 40 years....plus replays and scouting individual players.

What you have to remember always is that the bottom 100 players in the NBA can easily be replaced by somewhere around 300 other players world wide and there won't be a hill-o-bean's difference in them. And I'm a big advocate of having those minimum salary guys on the roster NOT taking up cap space over playing veteran bottom 100 guys in the league larger chunks of cap space to do the same thing. If I were a GM I would be turning over the bottom half of my roster frequently until I got decent players to agree to longer 3-4 year minimum salary deals similar to what we got Qi on, in order to let them get some experience and become effective players. Then either extend them at a reasonable rate if they progress beyond bottom 100 and it makes sense for my rotation or trade them out again for other picks/assets before paying them larger salaries for a job that I could get another guy to do for a minimum or lower salary.

I have scouted a lot of players. I know what I see. I'm confident in what I see. And I'd stack my player evaluation skills up against the guys that get paid to do the job. And I don't need or care who else agrees with it. My track record is there. Check out my player valuation in the draft folder. It's all there.

I have stated, and I will reiterate here and now, Qi has defensive player of the year potential. That doesn't mean he'll ever be defensive player of the year. But he has the potential to. Why? Because for starters....he has INSANE LENGTH combined with enough speed and quickness to defend anybody on the court. No, he's not ultra quick or fast. But he's quick and fast enough. No, he can't stay in front of smalls. But....this is the key....he doesn't have to. His INSANE LENGTH makes him a defensive threat to them even when they blow by him. Don't believe me? Watch him trail them to the basket. They feel him. And it changes their shot. And decreases their finishing percentages in the paint. THEY HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO BEAT HIM PROFICIENTLY YET! And that's a good indicator of his defensive future.

Yeah...he's a toothpick. Bigs gonna cream him underneath. Are they now??????????? Ok. Show me. I'm from MIZZOURI. He's quicker than almost every big. And he's faster up and down at the center position than all but a handful. And he's still got that INSANE LENGTH. This is a quick, fast league now. The tractor-trailer guys like Shaq can't make it in this league today. Can't keep up...with guys like Qi.

When Qi gets healthy and is healthy...he's got stamina....that Capela can only dream of.

And he's got the beginnings of a great 3-stroke.

I'm not coming off him until and unless I see him fail in his work ethic, attitude, or he gets injured and banged up and it becomes obvious to me that he's not going to make it.

I'm not saying he's going to be a star. He could possibly be I suppose. But I see a guy that could be a dirt-cheap primary role player for us for 3 more seasons. I can see him merging into the primary rotation if healthy in the last half of this season. That would give him two more seasons at a low minimum salary to eat up a lot of effective minutes...if he becomes what I think he can become...a difference-making defender who can space the floor with his shot and also finish and who also has some semblance of a handle.

I'm still very high on Qi. And it would not surprise me if he surpasses Capela sometime in the next couple years. Maybe as soon as the end of this season.

That's as plain spoken as I can be on the matter. I'm not afraid to be wrong about Qi. Been wrong about other guys before. So, no biggie. In my mind, Qi is worth something. He could become a key piece of our rotation on a miniscule salary. I like the investment. I think it could pay a high return.
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Good. I don't see how you could possibly want Jimmy at this point. Dude is unhinged.
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What striked me as unique with Jimmy is that when he was a star with the Bulls, a very big part of Bulls fans didn't like or want him.
I don't know of any team fans that are against their own superstar when he hasn't been injured or ask for trades.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9mcv8pg

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I don't know where to post this so here :

Rockets are +10.5% in 3PA/FGA and a +9.5% in AST/FGM

#6325 malakas, Oct 12, 2018

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malakas said: ↑

What striked me as unique with Jimmy is that when he was a star with the Bulls, a very big part of Bulls fans didn't like or want him.
I don't know of any team fans that are against their own superstar when he hasn't been injured or ask for trades.
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I don't remember this. Have any articles etc to elaborate?

Was it that they didn't like him, or just didn't like the state of the franchise and scapegoated him as their best player?

#6326 theimpossibles1, Oct 12, 2018
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I don't know where to post this so here :

Rockets are +10.5% in 3PA/FGA and a +9.5% in AST/FGM
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We can probably go ahead and throw out the Sharks game.

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If Kat organised like almost every other playoff team, summer practices with teammates, if KAT actually showed some improvement in his defence and effort and if KAT wasn't playing online until 5am in the morning videogames during the regular season then I would agree with you.
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The kid is 22 years old, man alot of things people are saying about him, people were saying about Harden.

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basketballholic said: ↑

I'm not looking for support of my position. I choose to freely give this board my insights. If you look at my history of posts about players, especially young players, you will find that I have been right and "discovered" a lot of guys that even the national media types were overlooking. I know basketball. I have good eyes. I played the game. And since I got too old to really play I have watched a ton of basketball.....a ton. Like over 400 NBA games a season for the last 40 years....plus replays and scouting individual players.

What you have to remember always is that the bottom 100 players in the NBA can easily be replaced by somewhere around 300 other players world wide and there won't be a hill-o-bean's difference in them. And I'm a big advocate of having those minimum salary guys on the roster NOT taking up cap space over playing veteran bottom 100 guys in the league larger chunks of cap space to do the same thing. If I were a GM I would be turning over the bottom half of my roster frequently until I got decent players to agree to longer 3-4 year minimum salary deals similar to what we got Qi on, in order to let them get some experience and become effective players. Then either extend them at a reasonable rate if they progress beyond bottom 100 and it makes sense for my rotation or trade them out again for other picks/assets before paying them larger salaries for a job that I could get another guy to do for a minimum or lower salary.

I have scouted a lot of players. I know what I see. I'm confident in what I see. And I'd stack my player evaluation skills up against the guys that get paid to do the job. And I don't need or care who else agrees with it. My track record is there. Check out my player valuation in the draft folder. It's all there.

I have stated, and I will reiterate here and now, Qi has defensive player of the year potential. That doesn't mean he'll ever be defensive player of the year. But he has the potential to. Why? Because for starters....he has INSANE LENGTH combined with enough speed and quickness to defend anybody on the court. No, he's not ultra quick or fast. But he's quick and fast enough. No, he can't stay in front of smalls. But....this is the key....he doesn't have to. His INSANE LENGTH makes him a defensive threat to them even when they blow by him. Don't believe me? Watch him trail them to the basket. They feel him. And it changes their shot. And decreases their finishing percentages in the paint. THEY HAVE NOT FIGURED OUT HOW TO BEAT HIM PROFICIENTLY YET! And that's a good indicator of his defensive future.

Yeah...he's a toothpick. Bigs gonna cream him underneath. Are they now??????????? Ok. Show me. I'm from MIZZOURI. He's quicker than almost every big. And he's faster up and down at the center position than all but a handful. And he's still got that INSANE LENGTH. This is a quick, fast league now. The tractor-trailer guys like Shaq can't make it in this league today. Can't keep up...with guys like Qi.

When Qi gets healthy and is healthy...he's got stamina....that Capela can only dream of.

And he's got the beginnings of a great 3-stroke.

I'm not coming off him until and unless I see him fail in his work ethic, attitude, or he gets injured and banged up and it becomes obvious to me that he's not going to make it.

I'm not saying he's going to be a star. He could possibly be I suppose. But I see a guy that could be a dirt-cheap primary role player for us for 3 more seasons. I can see him merging into the primary rotation if healthy in the last half of this season. That would give him two more seasons at a low minimum salary to eat up a lot of effective minutes...if he becomes what I think he can become...a difference-making defender who can space the floor with his shot and also finish and who also has some semblance of a handle.

I'm still very high on Qi. And it would not surprise me if he surpasses Capela sometime in the next couple years. Maybe as soon as the end of this season.

That's as plain spoken as I can be on the matter. I'm not afraid to be wrong about Qi. Been wrong about other guys before. So, no biggie. In my mind, Qi is worth something. He could become a key piece of our rotation on a miniscule salary. I like the investment. I think it could pay a high return.
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You are mentally ill like your boy Kanye. That being said:

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theimpossibles1 said: ↑

I don't remember this. Have any articles etc to elaborate?

Was it that they didn't like him, or just didn't like the state of the franchise and scapegoated him as their best player?
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articles?
Well I think K.C Johnson had written some bad Butler articles especially with the Rose- Butler problems, the Butler- Hoidberg problems, the Butler contract negotiations and the Butler vs Portis and Rondo however the other independent guy forget his name was pro Jimmy.
My impression is made by reading here and there the Bulls forum over the years.* I am sure that someone like @Nook can give more insight.
I saw that many didnt like him because he was a diva and a ballhog.
From their forum it was like 50-50 pro and against Jimmy.

* The Bulls are the "archrivals" of my other team that's why I pay attention to them. FIBs.

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I don't know where to post this so here :

Rockets are +10.5% in 3PA/FGA and a +9.5% in AST/FGM
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In my best Clyde voice: "I like it!"

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Lol I know its pre season, but I'm still bitter that we lost to the Pacers.

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The kid is 22 years old, man alot of things people are saying about him, people were saying about Harden.
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And if KAT becomes an MVP then they will shut up. But now he's miles away from it.
Also at least what Harden is doing in the stripclubs he doesn't stream it online. Blame him for not only being irresponsible but also being transparent about it.

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So was Dennis Rodman before joining Bulls
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and Rasheed Wallace before joining the Pistons

volatile players can be handled if they’re in the right situation and with a good organization...the Bulls and especially the Wolves don’t qualify

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It’s do or die for Jimmy time.

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And if KAT becomes an MVP then they will shut up. But now he's miles away from it.
Also at least what Harden is doing in the stripclubs he doesn't stream it online. Blame him for not only being irresponsible but also being transparent about it.
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Offensively he's already the best(or second best depending how you feel about Jokic) imo(obviously not the best overall as thats far and way Anthony Davis). None of this makes him look good(really bad actually), but he's got more room to grow and improve the defense. I love Harden but he got caught in bed with a p*rn star, "getting caught" playing a video game is not that big a deal, at least to me.

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So he hung up THEN said "MFer".

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Offensively he's already the best(or second best depending how you feel about Jokic) imo(obviously not the best overall as thats far and way Anthony Davis). None of this makes him look good(really bad actually), but he's got more room to grow and improve the defense. I love Harden but he got caught in bed with a p*rn star, "getting caught" playing a video game is not that big a deal, at least to me.
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It's not a big deal on its own but all together along with this Jimmy circus paints him as an immature irresponsible soft player.

Also let's not put Harden as a paradigm for a well liked player. Most non Rockets fans I know don't like him at all.

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LOL

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