September 18th: Morey: "Okay Tom, we're willing to give up Gordon, Tucker and a couple of 1sts for Butler" Thibs: "Ha! that's a **** offer" Wolves can't get any better offers October 9th: Thibs: "Okay Daryl we'll take your original offer" Morey: "F that. You couldn't even get Brooklyn to send you Caris Levert."
Isn’t it crazy how fast things change? Less than a year ago PJ + EG for Butler would have been a no brainer. People would be laughing at Minny. Now if it happened the media would be like “Houston shouldn’t have messed with the roster, they were one game away last year” even though all summer they were saying how we backtracked. Also, even if we were willing to give up EG and PJ it’s not definite that a deal would happen. Thibs could just be playing an awful game of poker.
Hopes he practices and in a day or two, Wolves sends out injury report stating Butler has a strained xx and is sidelined for 3 weeks. After October 31st, we're in the drivers seat
Tucker, Gordan and a couple picks is worth it. You can rotate NeNe Capela Chris's and find someone off the streets. With four guys rotating C and PF that would be ideal. If you get Butler you potentially have Chris Paul PG James Harden SG Jimmy Butler SF Carmelo Anthony PF Clint Capela C With Ennis Chriss NeNe and others rotating depending on the match up
I personally would do Tucker and EG easily. But I wonder what else is involved. If we have to take bacon Dieng who has 3 ghastly years left, and Butler is going to bolt in the offseason, then suddenly it looks kind of bad. IMO it all hinges on Butler having way too high an expectation on his next contract and there are probably teams willing to give it to him.
Butler can easily replace Gordon, and provide the much needed scoring and defense that Gordon gives this team. He is easily an upgrade over EG. The same can be said of Butler and PJ. But, if the question is, is Butler an upgrade over EG and PJ the answer IMHO is no. While Butler is a marathon man, who probably can grind every bit as Harden can, asking him to play both the roles of EG and PJ is a task I don't think he can do. Like, can you see Butler being a spark on that second unit while still guarding the best player on the other team? Can Butler guard 1 through 5 while still finding his own on offense? I don't see it. I see why Minnesota in combo with a 1st rounder likes that deal. I don't blame them. While this is a superstar league, you still need role players to depend on. Of course, I could just be rationalizing the reasons to keep players I like, but I still find it hard to see Jimmy B replacing both those guys. I felt the same way about Melo last year too.
Appreciate this post. Things change and some sources have different info. Cyberx could have "doubled down" on his stance.....but instead when he got new information.....reported the change. Refreshing.
Minnesota will at some point stop ****ing around & will get a deal done with Miami. Miami had softened on including guard Josh Richardson in versions of a possible deal for Butler, only to recoil once Minnesota pushed late for a sweeter return on the four-time All-Star forward, league sources said. Richardson, 25, is considered a strong, young two-way player. He averaged 12.9 points in 81 starts last season. He's in the first season of a four-year, $42 million contract. Outside of the Heat, the Timberwolves have had no serious, active talks ongoing with any other team recently, league sources said. Butler has told Minnesota that he'll leave in free agency in July -- and wants a trade now. Owner Glen Taylor has pushing president of basketball operations and coach Tom Thibodeau and general manager Scott Layden to find a deal sooner rather than later for Butler, league sources said.
I think we need to ask Clutch to have an automatic signature/disclaimer attached to all verified insiders just stating that the information they're sharing is what they heard and that, just like anything in life, things change so don't be a jerk and hold them accountable for what was heard. This would definitely make it easier on @Codman @cyberx
Tom: "Hello Pat? Heeeyyyy budddy! So about Jimmy....can we get back to the business at hand and get this deal finalized?" Riley: "Are you still insisting on getting Richardson, Bam, and a few 1st Rounders back? Even after combing through the league for a 'better' offer?" Tom:"................yes?"
You mean Minnesota called Houston and leaked it to the media so that Miami would come back to the table? The Timberwolves are just using the Rockets?!?! If this is the case (and I'm just filling in the blanks, right or wrong), it wouldn't be the first time. Wouldn't be the last.
Everyone uses the media to drum up better offers. How many "last call" tweets have we seen via Woj posts?
This is absolutely happening. Hes more than capable of being the bench spark leading a second unit. Hes been the number 1 option for years now. He was a legit MVP candidate last year as the number 1 guy. He is more capable on running the lead than gordon. Yes he could also handle guarding the #1 guy on the opposite side. He has also done that for years while being the "guy" also. Hes more than capable and it would benefit him not having to do everything on offense. He can guard 1-5 as well as tucker can but significantly better on the perimeter. Tuck better at guarding the rim and the 5, while butler is much more capable guarding the perimeter and the point. It's not tucker+ego vs butler, its tucker+ego vs butler+playerX. None the less pairing the all defense team of butler with great defender tuck is salivating and likely why he wont be included.
