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Would you trade Capela for Thon Maker?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by basketballholic, Jun 13, 2016.

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Would you trade Capela for Thon Maker?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. topfive

    topfive CF OG

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    Holic burner account confirmed.
     
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  2. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Capela is a greater risk than Maker???? How do you figure. You'd trade away Capela - a guy who on the floor was part of a trio that had a 40-3 record or whatever and nearly knocked off the warriors for an unproven guy who averaged 4 points and 4 rebounds a game?

    You'd waste James Harden's best years and Chris Paul's last years on Maker over Capela???????????

    ?????

    ???????????????????
     
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  3. basketballholic

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    #fakenews
     
  4. basketballholic

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    Do your own homework.
     
  5. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
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    I am not a gambler. But I'd bet you guys $100 to the tipjar that he does NOT have that spreadsheet. :p
     
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  6. basketballholic

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    Here's clueless


    Cyberx, paging cyberx ....


    ".......The fact that he believes jones will be out of the league soon is ridiculous. Especially for a player having a huge impact and a solid contributor on a playoff team already particulary at a young Age."


    Yup. Clueless.
     
  7. BMoney

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    We've reached this stage.
     
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  8. basketballholic

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    I've done some of that here already. I've tracked possession data on all games I watch for some time now. Keeps it interesting.
     
  9. basketballholic

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    See....this mindset. Like Capela is some irreplaceable part.

    No. He's an average center. He can't shoot. And he's average defensively. And he's a poor free throw shooter.

    The fact that Harden Paul and Capela win ask those games together proves this: Harden and Paul with a mediocre center and good 3&D players is a great team. Do you really think the record Sikhs have been any different with DJ manning the middle? I mean, come on already.

    Waste Hardens best years. Like Capela is a unicorn. Look around the league my friend. Bigs are coming out our ears. No, Harden's prime years wouldn't be wasted. There's another big around the corner. Just as good or better. Plus........whatever we could trade Capela for.

    Unless and until CC learns to shoot an efficient 3-ball or he becomes a terrific switch defender on smalls/wings then he is very, very replaceable.

    Capela is a greater risk than Maker because he is now owed $80 million.

     
  10. MrButtocks

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    Ugh. I hate myself for doing this but fine, let's compare notes. Your claims are weird because the Warriors aren't an iso heavy team and don't attack a favorable matchup like we do. They simply don't need to. They play every team the same way and work off of cuts and screens more than isos. Durant added more iso possessions, but he still mostly fits in with their offense from before his arrival.

    The good thing about the NBA is that they don't take highlight videos down. GS' highlights are our lowlights so we can watch video of their offense and see where we broke down and by who precisely.



    This video shows all 68 of Curry's field goals in the series. He scored over Capela ten times in total. That's not iso possessions, that's includes any time Capela came over to contest at all; providing help at the rim or even contesting on the perimeter after a screen. He heavily contested three of Curry's shots which managed to go in anyway. Not much you can do about those.

    Curry scored on Capela in iso four times. Four times in the entire series. The video also shows assists so you can see where Curry breaks down Capela and passes for an assist. That happens three times. The video does not show free throws, so maybe Capela fouled him a bunch and put him on the line. But Curry only made 12 free throws in total for the series, so that was a very minor part of his offense.

    Curry successfully iso'd Capela seven times on over 100 scoring possessions. I recently had an argument about Gobert's effectiveness in the WCSF against us. For comparison, CP3 scored on Gobert 19 times out of his 46 field goals in a five game series: 7 times in iso and 12 times off a screen. You don't even want to know how many assists came off of those screens. Utah's scheme is different from ours and Gobert gave him mostly open jumpers so it's not an apples to apples comparison. But the point stands that Capela was not abused by Curry in iso in any significant way.



    Here are KD's highlights for the series. Maybe you can tell me how many times he scored on Capela in total and in iso. Don't forget to include the times he broke Capela down for a teammate to score. I took notes too, but you can confirm who Durant scored on the most in iso since you took such detailed notes and have them easily accessible on a spreadsheet. Hint: it's not Capela.

    I'm sure at this point you'll make up some BS and claim it was Klay Thompson scoring on Clint in iso instead.
     
  11. HP3

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    Alright lets just say for arguments sake Capella is very ineffective(I disagree heavily) against the Warriors. We still need him for everybody else.
     
  12. basketballholic

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    Take out I'm not a gambler and we'll negotiate. :D
     
  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    So you think Maker is better than Capela??? How do you figure that based on the data which says otherwise?

    And how do you say Capela is a terrible switcher when he is know for being a great switcher?

    Capela is emerging as one of the best centers in the NBA - look around my friend - open your eyes. His ability to dunk any lob makes him equivalent to a 3 point threat.
     
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    You're straining at a gnat defining iso. I see what you did. That's fine. I'll remove the word iso. Let's just go with....who got beat....k?

    They went at Capela...whether on ball or off ball and beat him. Yes you have to include assists. You also have to include plays where he went to help and got beat. They "iso'd" Capela both on the ball and off the ball. And we had to sit him down and play Tucker at the 5.
     
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    At this stage of their careers....Maker is the better prospect with more upside. And Capela is the much greater risk because of his salary owed and the possibility of regression.
     
  16. MrButtocks

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    I counted both iso and help defense separately. Curry scored four times on Capela purely in iso, six times on help D. The video also shows assists and I counted three off of Capela breakdown. You want timestamps? I got them too. His first iso score on Capela is at 2:36 in the video. How about you point out the plays where Clint got abused? Video evidence is there for everybody.

    Also, Clint played 28.5mpg in the series which is right in line with his season average. He was less effective against the Warriors than he was in the regular season but you could say that about literally everyone except for EGo and Tucker.
     
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  17. HP3

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    So far you have given no evidence(clips) or stats, so how do you expect anyone to take your arguments seriously?
     
  18. TechieOne

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    I though Capela was great against the warriors. Pretty good switch defender. Good shot blocking. Good Rebounding. Very Soft Hands. Catches almost everything near him. The only thing that put him on the bench was free throw shooting when they went Hack a Capela and we were trading 3's for 1s.
     
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    We have that now in Marquese Chriss. What we wouldn't have if Capela left is an elite rim runner, an elite strong-side blocker (Maker is blocking from weak-side primarily), and an elite rebounder. I'm not sure who fills that role. I know you think we need an additional shooter on the floor, but when we need that shooter we're already going small. Clint prevents dominant bigs from dominating us and that's got a value you're not seeing.

    You can't always go small. Golden State doesn't even do that. They run out centers all the time, just not in the clutch. You have to match up with all their lineups... not just the one they put out at the close of games.
     
  20. fckbandwagons

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    LMAO! If you're going to keep all your claims to yourself, then how are you going to prove maker>capela
     
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