Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect ID’d as Cristhian Rivera, 24, living in US illegally

It's not a simple question, and my answer was more than sufficient.

 

I know and agree that there are countries where this (women being treated as less than human) is a massive problem. I really don't believe that a fair assessment of the US is that we don't care about women being assaulted/murdered. If anything, I would think that whatever remnants of a patriarchal society you think still exists would view injury to women as worse than injury to men.

All this political rhetoric being spouted on all sides about this issue is just that. A minor diversion to the true tragedy: someone was murdered.

And I believe most people in this country see it for exactly what it is. Sad.

 

And no, I don't believe that most of us are numb to violence to women.

 

It is a simple question which most would answer simply.

For example, I believe the murder is more important and that that should be the primary focus of any discussion or proposal. Anything that distracts takes attention away from that which is most important.

Instead of answering the question asked, you went on a tangent of the severity of the crime and and the possiblity for a murder to be worse (dead is dead)

Your failure to provide a simple answer to the question (which really has only four possible genuine answers - murder, illegal immigration, equal/both or none) only shows that you have ulterior motives in trying to obfuscate the issue and/or politicize it.

 

When Mollie was killed, the outrage wasn’t that yet another woman was killed by a man. The outrage was that an illegal alien killed her.

We hear about black crime, or illegal aliens or just about any other identified... except the most obvious, gender. The statistics are overwhelming when it comes to violent crime and gender. Men are over whelming more violent than women and are killing or abusing women at a very high rate.

Yet this isn’t discussed. All that is discussed is a serious of other sub group identifications.

So yes, there is a serious problem with how women are treated by men. In fact it is so ingrained that most aren’t even aware that there is a problem created by men.

 

I did answer the question asked, and I did it in a thorough manner. The reason you didn't like a full answer is because you were hoping to spin a partial or short answer and you didn't get the opportunity to do so.

 

Not sure we are really disagreeing. Maybe I am reading your post too narrowly.

I hear you but I really think the illegal alien angle was simply a political one. I don't think it lessened the horror people felt about another woman or for that matter human being murdered.

No stats, but my guess is that the murder of young women is considered far more news worthy than that of young men.

Maybe we don't hear about gender because it tilts the other way? Do more women or men die because of work related incidents? War? Are more dollars spent on women cancer causes than men? I think we treat the death of women as at least as important as the death of men.

If your point is that men kill more woman than men, I see that. But men also kill more men. Of the two genders, it appears men kill more.

That seems like a different (but important) issue than whether our society cares about the murder of women.

I think we have to look at the whole picture before declaring that the murder of Mollie is an example of our society not caring about women. The discussion on why men kill more (of either gender) is a different topic in my view.

 

You didnt answer the question cos severity does not equate to importance. I didnt ask about the severity of the crime which is what you answered cos you didnt want to answer the question about importance.

You claim a question is not simple even when others can provide simple answers

 

Huh?
How many illegal immigrants does the country have? Have you seen the news/stats of that many dead victims too? Non? Nada? Zilch?

Maybe it's not the "because".

 

Didn’t he?

 

The point is that the elephant in the room is never addressed which is male violence. It is just accepted and almost never specifically discussed. We will discuss black or Hispanic or any number of other subgroups and people will even spout statistics about a particular sub group being a danger.... but the most obvious common denominator isn’t considered... gender.

 

This one will make you laugh.

 

...well...

...I suppose he could be "...off the reservation..."...

...that's technically illegal, right?

...and yes...it did in fact make me laugh...

 

Why do these illegal aliens have steady, well paying jobs in the United States?

Who is hiring these law breaking killers?

 

ssshhhh you might start pointing fingers at 1%ers

Rocket River

 

In this case the person is dead literally because an illegal immigrant was allowed to stay in the country and murder her.....so yeah, it really is the "because"

I honestly don't know. I know he used a word that he wasn't supposed to use, but given the context in which he used it, I think he was bashing those who would say such things rather than using it himself. The context I've heard is that he was talking about the bad things other people have done and how it is unacceptable in their company. Something like he said "Colonel Sanders called black people....."

Given that context, I'm not sure he did anything wrong.

 

Exploiting this murder really backfired on you and your ilk.

 

Oh, you need help then. Your hatred, anger, and fear isn't rational and it makes us weaker as a nation. Learn to control your emotions and discuss this like an adult.