Trump: I have asked Secretary of State to closely study the South Africa land and farm seizures....

My mother will fall for this

 

As shown already by David Duke's support... and yours?

 

I believe that you would be in a much better position to answer your own question.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna903171

Interesting article from NBC with some real facts, and stuff.

Exactly no private land has been seized at all, from white farmers or anybody else. Murder rates for farmers in south Africa are in line with murder rates for non-farmers. Murder rates for all of South Africa are terrible, but there is no evidence of any racially motivated murder campaign.

Also, 80% of South Africa is black, but only 4%, of the land is black owned. The government has been doing voluntary buybacks for the last 25 years since the end of apartheid but is making no progress, which is why they are considering other options.

 

Hey stop picking on RL, he’s long been a champion for South African farmers and their plight.

 

The distraction thing seems way too blatant and calculating when I saw this this morning. The story I posted, kind of gives what to me seems more likely as the genesis of this tweet and the President's concern. Fox News ran a story on the subject last night, and presumably the President saw it during his TV time.

So the upshot is that foreign policy for the country at this point is essentially being dictated by whatever the program director at Fox and Friends wants to do a show about on any given day.

Comforting thought.

 

Lauren Southern: Far-right Canadian activist detained in Calais and banned from entering UK
'Officially banned from UK for 'racism',' says Ms Southern

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...calais-detain-uk-ban-enter-visa-a8254116.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Southern

 

LOl... "not even a fan" but your white nationalist twitter feed provided you with her trump-supporting tweet to post here?

 

I'm not a fan of Lauren Southern, but she wasn't really banned from the UK for "racism", she was banned because the UK government is an absolute joke. Lauren Southern is a provocateur and after seeing headlines about how "Jesus was trans" from the Huffington Post and "Was Jesus Gay? Probably" from The Guardian, she wanted to see what would happen if the same thing was said with the target being a different religious figure.....so she went out and had signs made that said "Allah is a gay god" and "Allah is trans"....and that was what was deemed "racist"

Now was that a childish thing to do? Sure, but only a complete r****d would try to argue that it was "racist".

IMO she's far too close to alt right for my taste, but that just makes it worse to go after her for the wrong things. You lose your own credibility while boosting hers when you do that ****.....and IMO she's no better than Milo Yiannopoulos, she doesn't need to have her credibility boosted simply because you are stupid.

 

Sigh.... first let me say, a small group of people potentially having their land seized half way across the world should be nowhere near the top of concerns for President Trump. There isn’t a genocide in South Africa and he is President of the USA and should be concerned about US interests. Trump is clearly doing this for obvious political reasons.

Having said that, the SA government is in the process of forcing off white land owners by forcing them to take 10% of what the land is worth. Also they already are discussing expansion of the plan and are discussing just taking the land. I have posted on this topic in the past, it is a complicated subject but the will of the ruling party in SA and many SA’s is to punish the existing whites and seize their land and property. This is only the beginning, it will get worse.

If you feel like digging, their have been comments from leading SA politicians saying that direct land seizure isn’t off the table.

 

Has he taken a knee in protest yet.

 

Given what the whites did when they were in power in south Africa, one could argue that taking their land without compensation is letting them off lightly.

 

Someone could argue that, but it would just be an excuse for them to support racist policy. As such it's an "argument" that is easily dismissed.

That said, I would respect those who flat out admit to supporting racist policy more than those who do and lie about it or try to pretend that it's not racist.

 

Oh look, some white people gettings stuff taken away!

 

Yes, one can make that argument. I’m not here to debate that point, only to point out that this is heading towards the confiscation of the land from the white land owners.

There have been other threads where I have discussed my mixed feelings on SA land confiscation and my long term concerns for SA as a country.

 

I appreciate what you are saying, but the 80%/4% thing that has persisted from Apartheid strikes me as a pretty serious injustice that is a direct lasting outcome of Apartheid and can be directly linked to how owners of this land derived their ownership.

The government has spent the last 25 years trying to remedy it in a gentile and fair a way as possible and gotten nowhere.

And, depending on how it goes down you may have someone with a grievance that I can support. But as of this moment, all you have is talk and nobody actually with a claim.

Until someone actually has a grievance or a claim, it seems like a whole lot of nothing. Right now if I were to say who is suffering because of the land situation in South Africa, it isn't the white farmers who gave a tangible claim to an injustice at the moment.

I also find it pretty hard to believe that none of the white farmers were aware of this risk for the last 25 years when none of them or their peers were selling their land back to the government. How could you not see this possibly coming?

Finally, unlike many other instances, like in the USA where slavery ended 150 years ago, most of these landowners are directly complicit in apartheid. I can remember first hand as a child listening to South Africans try and defend apartheid, and found them to be pretty contemptable human beings back then. I'm perfectly happy for anybody who contributed to that system to reap what they sewed.

Maybe if it had happened right away in 95 or so when apartheid was fresh in everybody's mind it would have been better?