I feel it's not an if, but a when. Impeachment, health issue, lack of votes, or whatever. It's getting worse and worse by the day. Amazing people still defend this guy. Amazing how many people thought he'd be a good president in the first place. This guy is the biggest threat to American democracy since Hitler.
I'm hoping for after his first term, but the crazy way the left has been acting is setting him up to win re-election. There's no chance of impeachment because there's no crime to impeach him for.
No way the Congressional Repubs impeach Trump. Didn't you see them al sucking up to him when he got the big tax cuts for the rich? Besides he has the little guys all lathered up about immigrants and anti-abortionists on the S.Ct.
Crime or no crime (of course that's debatable), but Section IV of the 25th amendment may soon become a possiblity. While I agree that it is very unlikely that he'll be impeached, if he starts allowing any kind of Russia involvement in the Mueller investigation, that would be another obstruction charge, in my opinion. A charge that he's already potentially committed. A second time would bring a quick impeachment. It's becoming increasingly clear, on a day by day basis, that this guy is in over his head. Like he's sunken to the bottom of the Mariana Trench-type over his head. If not that, Russia has some kind of dirt on him that the is desperate for no one to find out. I think it's both. Entertaining? Somewhat. A threat to our country? Absolutely. I'm more afraid of our President ruining our country than I was of terrorist attacks post 9/11 at this point. I know I'll get called a liberal nut or something, but I'm nowhere near that.
That would effectively just be a coup for no real reason other than the fact that our friends on the left have a sad about him being the president. People on the left throwing tantrums isn't a legitimate reason to remove a president and right now, that's all we have.
I would have agreed with that a week ago. If this Russia thing continues, or gets worse, you've got to question the guy's mental fitness.
Based on what I've seen from the democrats, he's going the distance. If not permanent dictator for life.
What, in your mind, has changed since then? We've seen people attempt to make a mountain from a mole hill, but not really anything else. Lots of freaking out, not a lot of legitimate reason to do so. First we had people freaking out that Trump wanted NATO allies to meet their commitments to NATO which would strengthen NATO.....but somehow was spun as Trump doing that FOR Putin....which is potentially the most r****ded spin possible. Then we had those same people freaking out about Trump calling Germany on the strategic disadvantage that the pipeline deal with Russia causes....a pipeline that is vital to the Russian economy.....and somehow that was helping Putin in the mind of morons. Now we've got Trump not calling Putin a liar at the press conference which apparently is "treason" according to absolute simpletons. Nothing serious has actually happened though.
Trump willing to turn over Americans to Russia for questioning in return for their "help" in an investigation looking into whether or not they attacked the core of our republic. If he does this, which apparently, they are considering,that is a huge deal to me. If he involves the Russians in the Mueller investigation in any way, shape, or form, to me, that's enough for the American people to demand an impeachment. The fact that he even entertained this. The fact that he didn't make some sort of request (or demand?) that the Russians help us apprehend (or at least interrogate) those that have been indicted recently in the tampering. His then skirting the line of whether he believes our intelligence or a known master manipulator that has no business telling the truth. Now, sprinkle in the fact that he flirted with ending joint drills with the Koreans because of the astronimcal cost, yet he wants to throw a bogus, completely unnecessary military parade (is this North Korea?) that costs just as much. I'm not saying that there's reason to evoke the 25th yet, but eyebrows have to be raising. I'm sure there's chatter.
So hacking a private organization and releasing embarrassing emails is "attacking the core of our republic"? Damn, I didn't know the DNC was the core of our republic. When it comes to extraditing Americans to face trial in Russia, I doubt that's actually something that will happen, but if it does, I'm sure it would be in exchange for Russians that have been indicted in America. I'm not sure what you are talking about when it comes to "involving the Russians in the Mueller investigation", involving them in what way? If anything Mueller has "involved them" by indicting numerous Russian citizens....not that it'll ever lead to anything. Do you really think that the Russians would hand over military members to the US? LOL really? Those indictments are a joke and their only goal is to make it seem like they are actually doing something in order to justify more time doing nothing. So far all there has been is innuendo and whining on the left, none of that even begins to warrant consideration for impeachment or other removal. This is effectively just a really loud temper tantrum due to the left not getting their way. The tantrum has been ongoing since the election but has gotten louder a few times after certain incidents. The most recent spike in tantrum activity is due to Trump getting to put another justice on the bench of the SCOUTS and the left having literally nothing they can do about it but kick and scream. Now if something actually happens, or if some evidence of crimes actually appears, we'll talk then and I'll likely agree with you, but right now this is just noise by those upset that they aren't in power anymore.
I know our opinions will differ, and that's fine, but I don't think hacking the DNC was all the Russians did. Even if it was, I think the Trump camp paid the Russians to hack the DNC so he could gain valuable dirt on them, thus the crime part. Like I said, our opinions will differ, and that's fine. No way to know unless evidence comes out. Involving the Russians - what I'm referring to, is where Trump said Putin volunteered to offer Russia's assistance in helping to find any evidence of wrongdoing by his country. Trump thought that was an interesting possiblity. No way he can do that and come away untouched.
I'm just looking for context on your opinions here, but do you think the Democrats committed any crimes or colluded with the Russians prior to the election?
Hacking the DNC was the only successful thing they did, everything else they tried, they failed at. Also, baseless allegations about Trump paying Russia to hack the DNC doesn't add a lot to the conversation given that there's absolutely no proof of it whatsoever. It's a lot more likely that it was merely Putin trying to get back at Hillary and Obama for the US election interference in his country back in 2012. That's the rational reason for why the DNC was targeted. As to the Russians volunteering to aid in finding any evidence of wrongdoing by their country, I hadn't heard about that, but the way you were talking about it suggested that it was some kind of wrongdoing worthy of impeachment or coup via the 25th amendment.....and it certainly doesn't sound like it would be anything close to that. If the Russians offered their opinion as to what happened, who cares?
Agreed. His poll numbers aren't stellar, but they are stable. His base however, is fanatic. They frankly have every reason to be: he's delivered like no president ever has for social conservatives. They are eternally courted by the GOP, but few take the political risks to actually deliver. Not backing Trump in mid-terms or 2020 (or any impeachment threat) won't help GOP lawmakers running for re-election, so I think we can count on their support. I think even if there is a push for impeachment, Democrats could get one to publicly humiliate him and get a bump in their own numbers for "fighting the good fight" but it would require overwhelming evidence (or a Democratic landslide in a prior election) to get 2/3 of the House to get a conviction, neither of which seem very likely. I also think the embarrassment gap is way larger than for most Republican presidents -- like as much as an 8% handicap. That coupled with the fact that the Democrats haven't adapted their strategy and will likely run another hawkish corporatist and scare off a lot of voters. I suspect Greens and Libertarians could see a bump overall -- possibly a candidate winning a state office or two, but Democrats, I think, are going to do best where progressives have won primary challenges over establishment types. I don't see the Democratic Party winning any major elections as long as it clings to the DLC/Third Way/Clintonian/Progressive Policy Institute dogma, especially when I look at polls broken down by age. I think Trump not being president for the next six years would be likeliest from health issues (because he eats like a child), boredom (it might stop being fun to on TV 24 hours a day even for him), or an assassination, but I don't think any scenario is as likely as Trump being president for the next six years.
I don't, seeing as they were the ones that were hacked. Deep down, I think Trump is the kind of president the country needs, in that he's bucking tradition and could potentially disrupt a two part system. I just hate the execution. It's terrible. I feel like he's ruining that chance to be what our political system needs, in a big way.
Democrats SHOULD be building their next candidate right now, but they aren't. They're still putting the spotlight on Hillary and Obama - neither of which will be the next president. They should be creating the cartoon character with novelty that could beat Trump. Explanation: recent U.S. elections have shown that a novelty can be leveraged successfully to help win an election (note: novelty alone won't win an election, but it's a device that helps greatly).. The Dems won by leveraging the "vote for the black guy" novelty to help win. They *almost* won again with the "vote for the woman" novelty, but they lost to the republicans who caught on to this strategy and won with the "vote for the wacky TV celebrity billionaire" novelty. If the D party had any brains, they'd be starting a realty TV show named "Cooking with Chuck" where they get Chuck Schumer in the kitchen or on a road trip, or whatever. If they'd get the next candidate some celebrity status and lovable TV time (CNBC doesn't count), they *might* have a chance of knocking down Trump. In the absence of such a novelty, the public will migrate toward the existing novelty that Trump provides (in abundance).
BtG never lets an opportunity pass to lash out at the Democratic Party. Donald Trump sucks but that is nothing compare to the Socialists in the Democratic Party. Woop Woop!
^ This, honestly. 45 has high approval ratings among GOP voters -- I'm not judging but just saying that's true. DNC will have an awful, confusing, and internally caustic primary season with someone like Kamala Harris narrowly defeating a may-I-borrow-your-party? candidate like Bernie Sanders. Bernie bros will again say the fix was in and a bunch will be ready to vote for Jill Stein again (I know these people). With enough gerrymandering again and with a candidate who is easy to paint as far left and out-of-touch and all about identity politics, Trump wins in 2020, boasting the tax cut, the low unemployment, and that he is "changing the culture" in DC. Most probable outcome, even if he looks more and more mentally compromised. Reagan, bless him, had deteriorating mental function in his 2nd term. That's a documented fact. Of course, he had more class in one earlobe than in the entire Trump family, but that doesn't matter anymore in the United States of TMZ.
