Are Race / Religion The Overriding Factors ?

Compare the death tolls in these attacks.

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When a Muslim kills a bunch of people with a gun, people say Islam is the problem and fear Muslims. When a white man kills 50 people with a gun, people say whites aren't getting the mental health help they need.

Yes, race is definitely is the heart of the issue.

 

Plenty of white and Caucasian Muslims out there. Religion has been the root cause of millions of deaths, second only to communism (yet another belief system). Crazy people with guns are not even a blip on that map. It's not racism, but the belief that you should be scared of fanatical religious people is entirely rational.

 

When did Islam and/or Muslim become a "race"?

I guess when a person looks at everything through the lens of race I guess that can be confusing. lol

 

Pretty Much
Terrorist took over a building in Oregon .. . and were pardoned
They seem to forget and try to bury the fact that Tim McVeigh and his crew exist
Most domestic terrorist/mass murderers look like the Russians but are Americans . . . .but they seem to be quick to forgive/forget/get over that

so yea. . . . I think you might be on to something

Rocket River

 

Compare the existential threat from these attacks.

 

The Russian thing is not even comparable in anyway to 9/11 and Pearl Harbour, you are out of your mind

 

So in this threat we have someone deadass attempting to compare hacking the DNC and releasing some dirty laundry to an attack that killed 2400 by the Japanese and an attack that killed nearly 3000 by extremist Muslims.....

I guess it's a good thing that you think that embarrassing the DNC is merely equivalent to killing thousands of people and not a greater offense than the killing of thousands of people.

 

This is really poorly formulated. Example 1, "most Americans;" example 2, "most American, particularly Republicans;" example 3, "close to 90% Republicans." Can we hold all other variables constant if we're going to compare? During WWII, we imprisoned people based on their race. After 9/11, we stepped up security and intelligence gathering (including some aggressive, probably unConstitutional invasions of privacy) but did not incarcerate people because of their race. After election hacking, we indicted a few perpetrators but did not blame Russians generally the way we blamed Islam generally or the Japanese generally before that. So yes our reactions were different but the contexts were different. The public discussion around the reaction to 9/11 in particular kept in mind the Japanese internment and strove to not repeat the mistakes of the past.

There is also a lot of cherry-picking with these 3 examples. For one, the Russia thing is nothing at all like the first 2. It doesn't hold that fear that all members of a particular identity group can't be trusted. There isn't much reason to distrust the Russian down the street just because we distrust Putin. I would swap that out for the current animus against illegal immigrants. The campaign against otherwise law-abiding illegal immigrants, the fear mongering about MS-13 and Mexican rapists, the wholesale indictments of all comers and separation of families would all suggest we haven't come all that far from the WWII internments. The cherry-picking also does not consider attitudes about communists before the fall of the USSR. Communism and communists were despised until recently despite communism being seen as a white thing (but so much worse when it was East Asian communism or black communism). You couldn't go around in the early '80s telling people you were a communist (to say nothing of doing so during McCarthyism). That'd be like telling people you believe in jihad. That wasn't racial, it was ideological and mostly patriotic anti-Sovietism. The irony is that the big cold warriors did a big flip-flop, not when the USSR disbanded, but when Trump was elected. They didn't suddenly realize that Russians were white, they were instructed by their leader that Russia was no longer the Evil Empire. A lot about 'who we hate' comes from the top.

Sure, there is prejudice wrapped up in our policies about the Japanese, Muslims, and Hispanics. But this Russia thing is a piss-poor comparative.

 

This is how you drive fear into White Americans particularly in those fly-over states. Us versus them mentality. White versus Non-white.

 

If it's about attacks by foreign governments, it's really bad. While there may have been some clandestine support from some elements of foreign governments, 9/11 was not an attack by a foreign government but by a terrorist organization, so it doesn't even fit the definition. But, more importantly, the racism we saw against the Japanese in WWII and against Muslims after 9/11 were not linked in isolation to the discrete attacks. If the threat was over after those attacks -- if Japan, for example, surrendered on Dec 8 -- nothing would have been done. In WWII, we were in a declared war against Japan and were worried that some elements of our Japanese-American population would be disloyal in the ongoing war. After 9/11, likewise we were concerned that some elements of our Muslim American population would themselves engage in terrorism. I think it's wrong to assume the worst about everyone based on some foreign allegiance you imagine they might have, but I at least see the angle. What is the rationale for generalizing President Putin's hostility to all Russians in America? Are they going to engage in their own cyberwarfare campaign in the US? That doesn't even make any sense. In the Russia case, it is not a clash a civilizations in which every member of the people-group is a suspect, it's just a geopolitical fight.

 

March 30, 1965 - Viet Cong detonate a car bomb outside the US embassy in Saigon, Vietnam killing 2 Americans, 1 Filipino, and 19 Vietnamese
January 31, 1968 - Viet Cong attack the US embassy in Saigon, Vietnam killing 5 security guards
September 26, 1971 - Cambodia attacks US embassy softball game in Phnom Penh, Cambodia killing 2 Americans and 1 Cambodian
August 19, 1974 - A mob riots outside the US embassy in Nicosia, Cyprus during which a sniper kills 2 Americans
November 21, 1979 - A mob riots and burns down US embassy in Islamabad, Pakistan killing 2 Americans and 2 Pakistani personnel
April 18, 1983 - Islamic Jihad detonates a car bomb outside US embassy in Beirut, Lebanon killing 17 Americans and 46 others
October 23, 1983 - Islamic Jihad detonates two truck bombs outside of the MNF barracks in Beirut, Lebanon killing 241 U.S. peacekeepers, 58 French peacekeepers and 6 civilians
December 12, 1983 - al-Dawa detonates a truck bomb outside US embassy in Kuwait City, Kuwait killing 6
September 20, 1984 - Hezbollah detonates a car bomb outside US embassy in Beirut, Lebanon killing 24
November ?, 1984 - A drug cartel detonates a car bomb outside US embassy in Bogota, Colombia killing 1
May 17, 1987 - An Iraqi fighter jet launches two missiles at the USS Stark, killing 37 American sailors
August 7, 1988 - al-Qaeda bombs US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania killing 12 Americans and 212 others
October 12, 2000 - al-Qaeda/Sudan bomb the USS Cole, killing 17 American sailors
January 22, 2002 - Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami gunmen attack American cultural center in Calcutta, India (which housed part of the US consulate) killing 5
June 14, 2002 - al-Qaeda truck bomb detonated outside US Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan kills 12 Pakistani civilians
There were 11 more deadly attacks on US diplomatic targets after that, killing no more than 5 in any one incident
I'm sure this is not an exhaustive list.

 

If you are going to count weak ass BS like hackers breaking into a private organization in the states then the list would take forever to compile. People usually only talk about the attacks that matter, such as Pearl Harbor and 9-11 where thousands of people died....unless they are looking for a scapegoat for a lost election.