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Was JVG the right choice?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Jan 8, 2004.

  1. dsnow23

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    good point. But, he's still a former rocket to me.
     
  2. GATER

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    Two words about not shooting every time you are open - Cuttino Mobley.

    Has the confusion cleared up for you? IOW, unless you're the Mavs in transition (and the Clipps are far from it) you don't take 3 pointers with 15 seconds on the clock in a half court set when Elton Brand is posting up. He can kick it put to you for the same shot 10 seconds later.
     
  3. GATER

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    Not going to happen. But it's not from effort.

    Van Gundy's D does not emphasize steals. Steals come from playing the passing lanes. Van Gundy's Rockets don't play the passing lanes. They soft trap anyone dribbling toward the basket and funnel that dribbler to Yao and Cato. The key to success then becomes the rotation of the other 3 defenders. It's beautiful to watch but not nearly as exciting as a 108-102 loss. :D
     
  4. TheFreak

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    Not true.
     
  5. rrj_gamz

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    It's still early, but some of the things JVG is trying to do will pay off...We were so individual last year that it hurt us...We'll be a much better team by year end, I guarantee it...;)
     
  6. BrockStapper

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    Dude! I just wanna' be second to last!

    ;~)
     
  7. paulschsueh

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    Can you guarantee it ? :( The offense is much worse than last year in every perspective. Most of the games are horrible to watch. Unless I am those SM guys, I just can not enjoy to watch it any more (I am beginning to wonder how can they sell the tickets next year).

    Rudy developed the system based on the players he has. JVG is pressuring the players to change and fit into his system. If I were JVG, I would rather trade away Steve, Yao and Cat, and build a new team around JJ and Cato. Steve and Yao just do not fit into JVG's offensive system at all. They can not score in JVG's no matter how hard they tried. :confused:
     
  8. BrockStapper

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    I'm assuming you are not talking about our last game where we had six players in double figures and francis scored 27 points...

    or the fact that almost every game 4 out of 5 of our starters are in double figures...
     
  9. Charvo

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    It all depends on what you can get back. I can name a few guys who play the Van Gundy way.

    Gary Payton
    Charlie Ward
    PJ Brown
    Shane Battier
    Stacey Augmon (can't shoot though)

    In other words, he likes guy who can play tough defense, like to scrap, and can shoot the ball decently. Also, he likes guys who follow orders.
     
  10. mztay1

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    YOU DAYUM RIGHT JEFF VAN GUNDY WAS RIGHT FOR THE JOB!! What is UP with you people??:eek: DUNLEAVY?? LAST TIME I CHECKED, THE CLIPS ARE BETTER BUT THEY AREN'T NEARLY AS CLOSE TO PLAYOFF CONTENTION AS WE ARE!!:eek:

    I don't know..the more I read the stuff on this board..the more I think I should just stick with the newspapers or something. Jeff Van Gundy has done VERY WELL with the cards that he was dealt. The Rox were an individualized, undisciplined basketball team BEFORE he got here..those CONTRACTS were in place BEFORE he got here..and yet, we are FIVE GAMES OVER .500?? We have a very GOOD home record and we're ranked at the top in defense!!!!!!!!!!! Like Cato said in an interview with Calvin and Bill, "we now have a VERY HUNGRY COACH"...

    I distinctly remember seeing Cat and Steve disregarding Rudy OPENLY last year and knew there had to be a change. If Steve got outta control..JVG would bench him and let him calm down..the same thing with Cuttino. DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK RUDY WOULD HAVE EVERRRRRRRRR DONE THAT?? HELL NO. These are grown azz men--if you can't stand the heat, get outta the kitchen and leave the millions of dollars on the table. If Yao's getting criticism--GOOD..SUCK IT UP AND GET TOUGH. If Steve is finally being held responsible for being the MAX player and more is being demanded from him---GOOD...SUCK IT UP AND GET TOUGH. If Cat is told to change his game and that he will be the #3 man or whatever--GOOD. SUCK IT UP.

    Look..we BYTCH too much..we wanted change and we got it. We are in SERIOUS playoff contention (not imaginary like Dunleavy and the Clips). Geez, are you people happy about ANYTHING???:confused: :confused:
     
  11. Old Man Rock

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    You obviuosly or delusional. Rudy disciplined his players. He just didn't feel the need to do it as openly or as ruthlessly as Van Gundy. And for all the improved discipline that Van Gundy Lovers proclaim he has instilled the Rockets record is no better than last year at this time and with more talent and a much more physical and experienced Yao to boot. So instead of much improved Rocket team we have the same record but or horrid to watch as most given days.

    The Rockets were headed for the playoffs last year until Rudy got sidelined. The bottom line is Rudy is a championship coach and Van gundy will never see that day.
     
  12. Severe Rockets Fan

    Severe Rockets Fan Takin it one stage at a time...

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    Lot of psychics online today...how lucky we are...

    Yes! the edit feature is back! :D

    It's amazing how much credit Rudy has been given for having the best player in the league on his team, in his PRIME, and winning the championship with that...yet when Rudy had players like Steve and Cat he couldn't use that 'championship caliber coaching' to even get us out of the lottery.
     
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    The Rockets have been a Helter Skelter team for the past couple of seasons. They win big against teams they aren't supposed to beat and lose big to teams they are supposed to beat. When they are on they are HOT. When they aren't they really suck. The difference is there is less excitement watching the team on offense this year. So when you get bored out of your mind because the team is so boring to watch, GET TOUGH AND SUCK IT UP!:p
     
  14. paulschsueh

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    Yes, you are right. If we want to keep JVG, we need to get rid of Yao, Steve and Cat, and rebuild the team. Otherewise, we need to find a coach that really know how to play offensively.:mad:
     
  15. Jack Hammer

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    Hmmmm lets see... #1 DEFENSE IN THE NBA... offense will come around ... 35 games into the season .. what kind of thread is this? To answer your question to where you can understand .....


    DUH DUH DUH DUHHHHHHH Dakota!

    of course Van Gundy was the right choice.. quit complaining and start cheering
     
  16. ricerocket

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    So did Hitler.... except he had an offensive game plan....
     
  17. Charvo

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    I think Van Gundy has coached really only one type of team and that is the Knicks team that was defensive-minded and gritty. As much as he wants Steve and Yao to change, he needs to change his mindset too.
     
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    how did it not work. They averaged plus 90 pts?
     
  19. rocketman113

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    Looking at this team it's obvious that it's not Rudy's fault or JVG's. It's a bad mix of players. They pretty much do the same stupid things they did last year. Play well in the "big games" and lose games they should win to be the same mediocre team they have been the last few years. JVG has the right idea, it's starts with D, just look at the spurs. The difference is that the spurs put the effort out every game and that's because of the system and style they have established over the past 5 years or so. JVG is trying to do that same thing and it will eventually payoff. Will it happen with this group of guys? I doubt it. Francis is an idiot when it comes to playing the point, he is THE WORST "PG" in the league. If he soley played the 2 guard spot, he would probably be in the top 5-10. Another thing about this year, at least the street ball has been limited to a certain extent, you see more guys like JJ/Taylor getting involved in the offense. A big trade will need to happen for this team to move forward. This team is just not bulit with a group of winners.
     
  20. Dirk_Diggler

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    JVG should let them play their own offensive style. The problem last year wasn't the O ... It was the D.

    If JVG was content with handling the D, we would be fine.

    I am beginning to get discouraged with the lack of effort.
     

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