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wtf is net neutrality?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Brown Lost It, May 25, 2017.

  1. utgrad97

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    How did the internet work before net neutrality?
     
  2. fchowd0311

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    The Internet where the average user can upload and stream gigabytes worth of content is fairly new. You act like the interent in the form it is in has existed for decades.
     
  3. Space Ghost

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    It didn't. we all used AOL.
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    What 'average' user is uploading gigs of data? Software pirates?

    Just to note, 'uploading' tweets doesnt take gigs of data.
     
  5. fchowd0311

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    Do you know how much a 4k 30 min video file size is?

    Average users who don't have massive corporations publishing their content can upload gigs of data in today's internet .

    I can buy a 300 dollar GoPro and start uploading gigs of content weekly.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    you can. but who honestly gives a **** about your 4k GoPro stream? The 'average' user doesn't. And the 'average' user is not so self centered they really think anyone else does either.
     
  7. FranchiseBlade

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    I think people uploading to the internet is actually pretty common and if not average, close to average. Furthermore, it is growing in popularity all the time.
     
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    That was happening before 2015 and title II didn't change it. Consumer demand for that is huge and unless some serious anti consumer actions happen streaming will continue to explode. They make a good point about the FTC being the right agency for consumer protection. Until any of this doom and gloom comes to fruition the unhinged violent freak out will look ridiculous.
     
  9. utgrad97

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    So the internet got better without net neutrality, hmm.
     
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  10. Amiga

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    The 4K video upload mentioned here is just one use case. Data has exploded and will continue to. 4K is already at least 8 years old. Although there isn’t really yet a need for higher resolution (but 8k is coming), there are plenty other tech and use cases that will drive bandwidth. HDR, VR, MR, virtual conferencing, security monitoring, trillions of iot, gaming, and so on...

    In the past, speed was slow and there was no google or Netflix that dominate the bw usage. There were no special arrangements betweeen these content providers and the isp to provide good services. Today, there is these special arrangements and all these new use cases. NN, or treatment of packages based on what, who, where wasn’t a concern until all these new factors came to be.

    The talk about the past is mostly irrelevant, other than for education and past behaviors -did isp attempt to have an unfair playing field (they did). The issue is real and we should be past the point saying it’s not an issue or nothing is needed. The debate should be what is the best way to handle this going fwd... full NN, limited NN, enabling more competition, and so on...
     
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  11. tallanvor

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    like it always has since the dawn of the internet. long before net neutrality. Increased data usage is not some new phenomenon.

    Netflix has been the leader in bandwidth usage for over 5 years. Long before net neutrality. This is not new.
     
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  12. Amiga

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    What you said is technically true.
    What’s your points?
     
  13. tallanvor

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    That your point was wrong.
     
  14. Amiga

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    It’s not. Lol
     
  15. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Very poorly. You couldn't do much with the internet until the World Wide Web came out along with browsers and revolutionized it. It was the beginning of the end of companies like AOL and Compuserve which without being able to control access to content had no way to survive.

    The end of net neutrality will bring back that golden age. It's a sad day when Republicans want to take something that's free and amazing and ruin it.
     
  16. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Consumers already pay for bandwidth - why should they be charged twice?
     
  17. HeWhoIsLunchbox

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    "Long before net neutrality"

    You need to read up on the history of net neutrality and the similar laws/regulations that preceded it.

    https://www.wired.com/story/how-the-fccs-net-neutrality-plan-breaks-with-50-years-of-history/
     
  18. tallanvor

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    I know my history and yes 'long before net neutrality' is correct.

    This author is a moron who doesnt know what anti trust laws are. You know those rules which have governed the Internet since the beginning.
     
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    If you mean free as in no charge, then the internet has never been free. If you mean free as in without the application of force, well you are the one wanting more force.
     
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    If you don't think that these massive corporations aren't 100% willing to do the same types of things that they tried at the beginning of the broadband era, then you're very naive. They only view the Internet as another revenue stream, and have no value for it as an open space for the exchange of media and ideas. Telecom (and now ISP) companies are extremely shady, and that's why regulations are needed.
     

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