Over the last couple of days, there has been much speculation regarding the future of Shandon, and where he might go if he decided to leave Houston. The article regarding Denver's need at the two spot seems to be a perfert fit for Shandon. http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nuggets/article/0,1299,DRMN_20_246248,00.html You can read the entire article at the above url, but here's an excerpt: ........."But now, the Nuggets want the "D" back in Denver." "I think we've realized that we can win on the road with defense, and that has to be consistent, assistant coach Kim Hughes said. "The first half of the season we were winning on the road with our offense. That's something we can't count on. We have to have the players who can defend." ....... .....Lenard and Cheaney will be in the last year of their contracts next season. Nuggets officials unanimously agree that they need a third scorer, a No. 3 impact player and, ideally, that player would play the No. 2 spot. Does that mean adding another to the mix? Swapping swingmen? "Unless we make some changes, we are going to have some of the same issues at the position," said Denny McGowan, the Nuggets vice president for basketball operations. "I think, certainly, we have some strong options in that category. . . . We have a lot of people in that one position and it is very important for us to get that third consistent scorer." ............... It may be a stretch, but this might facilitate a trade involving Cato + resigned Shandon for Raef + Lenard (is happy camping out at the 3 point line) + filler. What do you think? ------------------
Hehe... *chuckle*... bwaaaaaaahahahaha.... ...sorry. I just couldn't control myself thinking about a slacker like Cato playing for Issel. Talk about a war. ...if Issel's still around, that is ------------------ "So you say you want some intelligent responses? I say give me something intelligent to respond to." -- Dimwits beware, B-Ball freak tells it like it is. Sing it bro! [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited April 07, 2001).]
If we could rope the Nuggets into that one it would be great. I think LaFrentz is the type of player who would strive in Rudy's system and we myswell get something for Shanderson if he wants to leave anyways. ------------------ Haha.. you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Only slightly less well know is this: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
I for one would love to have LaFrentz in Houston. But would he play the four or the five. Most seem to suggest that he is a true four. If so, what position will Mo play? This is a problem I would like to have. In additiion, Lenard may fit our style of play better than Shandon given his talent for hitting the 3. ------------------
No way the Nuggets do this... they already overpaid for a non-offensive, defensive specialist -- Abdul-Wahad. They thought his offense would come around. He has no shot, no moves, can only finish off the break (slam). Sound familiar? They might bite on Cato because they have no legitimate defensive 5. Of course, we all know that Cato isn't one, either...but Denver might not. Of course, if they also want a third scorer...Cato could not help there. ------------------ Whitey will pay.
boy i miss these. been awhile and hopefully this offseason well get more. anyways... LOL. what a joke! SA and cato for raef and lenard?! are you kidding me? did you take the quote 'should we swap swingmen' to mean 'we hate our players and must get rid of them no matter what the cost and that includes giving raef lafrentz away to a divisional rival!' ?? but seriously, that deal is really bad for denver. ------------------ the nuggets suck...i know, i know!
JayZ, You're acting as if we're somehow doing them a favor by saying we'll take LaFrentz and Lenard for Cato and Anderson. They'd have to be borderline nuts to make that trade. Cato is an underachieving player that hasn't really done squat except in pre-season and has a sign of "slacker" hanging around his neck. Anderson is a solid player. That's about it. If we pull a trade like this off, I'd be surprised and Denver will be a joke of an organization. Yes, we may make a move for LaFrentz, but for the above combination of players? ------------------ "So you say you want some intelligent responses? I say give me something intelligent to respond to." -- Dimwits beware, B-Ball freak tells it like it is. Sing it bro!
I was actually acting as if theyd be doing us a favor by doing that trade....that is why I said If we could rope the Nuggets into that one it would be great. I realize they most likely wouldnt do that deal. On the other hand, I think a lot of people here are putting a little too much faith in the skills of LaFrentz and Leonard. I mean, is Denver going anywhere. They had a healthy LaFrentz for the full year, but he couldnt get along with Issel. They have a star player in McDyess (always underrated in my opinion) and very good player in Van Exel (would be a star if not for his attitude) and apparantly a whole bunch of swingmen who are suppossed to be good. Yet, this team has still only slightly improved (thanks to a winstreak in the middle of the season) and with Issel on board at the moment their prospects for the future dont look any better. They seem as if they will always be a team that has great talent on paper but cant ever get it done. Maybe they need a change. Add to that the fact that they were dumb enough to trade away Keon Clark for Kevin Willis of all people and I dont think this trade is as unlikely as some of you make it sound. Nonetheless, Id still **** bricks if it actually happened ------------------ Haha.. you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Only slightly less well know is this: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
quote: ________________________________________ Originally posted by Dr. of Dunk: Yes, we may make a move for LaFrentz, but for the above combination of players? _________________________________________ So what do you think would be an acceptible combination of players? ------------------
In another thread, there talking about the possibility of Cato + Houston's first pick (#13) for LaFrentz + Posey. Do you think this is more likely? ------------------
Or...how bout something like Cato/Shandon for Lafrentz/TAW. TAW has a long, somewhat Cato like contract, but is a known commodity. Posey, Lafrentz, and TAW would be even better, for some dreamcast kicks Cato, Shandon, KT, and one of our 20s picks for Lafrentz, TAW, Posey. It's possible if Issel stays in some capacity, and really wants to move Raef, Denver feels really bad about TAW's contract, and Posey isn't in the good with management, stemming from that alleged player uprisal in Denver, and inconsistency. The only two people who seem safe in Denver are Nick Van Exel and Antonio McDyess. ------------------ "That's been a lifelong dream of mine." -Vince Carter, after laying it in on a breakaway, much to the Vancouver crowd's displeasure. [This message has been edited by NIKEstrad (edited April 07, 2001).]
I'd love to get Lafrentz here...that would probably help our chances at getting Webber. He has said he doesn't want to play center, and he wouldn't have to with Lafrentz. How about just a simple trade: R.Lafrentz FOR S.Anderson & KT/J.Collier ------------------
LOL...good point good points, but consider we have improved alot over the past 3 years...11 -> 23 -> 37 and counting. now take away issel next year and thats another 10 wins automatically! MUCH less likely IMO. still a no on that one. the first one is a little better cuz of taw's contract but id still pass cuz losing raef for cato isnt good. the 2nd is a definite no. ------------------ the nuggets suck...i know, i know!
Nugzfan, what about Cato + #13 pick for LaFrentz and filler? I presume you object to Cato, #13 for LaFrentz, Posey because you don't want to lose Posey. Personally, I think this is much better for Denver because I feel the #13 pick could easily yield a player as good as LaFrentz. As for Cato, you're still getting a center, and even if he might not be worth his contract, you still get the chance to dump some of it with the filler. ------------------
Relativist: I disagree that the #13pick will be better than Raef. Raef is a legitimate, adequate starting center. How often can you find one of those w/the #13? not extremely likely. The #9 this year was Joel Pryzbilla. The #15 was Jason Collier. Neither of those players is remotely as good. there is a premium on quality centers because there aren't many. Even 12 and 9 guys go at the top, now. Diehard Rocket: I think you undersell KT here. In giving up Anderson and Thomas, we'd be sending Denver two guys that either can serve as adequate starters or terrific subs... in return for one slightly above average center. I think that's a bad deal for us. What does LaFrenz really bring to the table? He's a decent rebounder and can score a little. KT fits that description, as well... he's just a few inches shorter. but he passes better and has superior footwork. I'd do the deal straight up, or even with a middle pick... but not with Anderson. I do think that Anderson would be a terrific fit with Denver. They play up-tempo, so he could fast break more often instead of shooting 3's.... and he could supply some badly needed D. ------------------ I would believe only in a God who could dance. - Friedrich Nietzsche Boston College - NCAA Hockey National Champions 2001 [This message has been edited by haven (edited April 09, 2001).]
Now if the Nuggets can just avoid a particular referee then they would be dangerous....... ------------------ ``We need to FOCASS".... Akeem Olajuwon
dunno, thats a tough one. that 13th pick might be pretty good, but will any good big men be left? this one id pass on. collier/davis isnt really much so it would be SA for raef, which i wouldnt do. ------------------ the nuggets suck...i know, i know!
If Shandon wants out, how about we trade Shandon and Jason Collier for Raef LaFrentz and Terry Davis? It works on RealGM. I'd hate to lose Collier, but Raef is more of a known commodity right now. We could agree to waive Davis, so he could resign with Denver. Actually, we could move Mo to the three, and let Kenny start at PF. Sign Dream and Taylor. Trade up (13/23 for #7) to get Diop, then take Morris or Forte with Orlando's pick. Dream/LaFrentz/Cato/Diop Thomas/Rogers/Bullard Taylor/Langhi/(Morris) Mobely/Williams/(Forte) Francis/Norris ------------------ the more I know, the more I know I don't know...
