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Kid-gloves vs. Scorched-Earth

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jun 16, 2018.

  1. MojoMan

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    The various investigations of Hillary Clinton were handled with kid gloves and with a deference that has profoundly undermined the fundamental assumption of our system of justice, that we are a nation of laws and that nobody is above the law.

    Her testimony was voluntary and not under oath. Her co-conspirators were given immunity and allowed to sit in on her voluntary testimony. And then they were all given the most generous possible handling of every aspect of this investigation, including allowing them to destroy evidence and to lie to the FBI and Congress, with no attempt to hold them accountable, to this very day.

    On the other hand, Donald Trump has been the target of a special investigation with NO actual specified crime or charges to investigate. Mueller wants to compel Trump to testify under oath - the sitting President of the United States - while demanding that Hillary Clinton do so was apparently never even considered.

    The attitude and tone of the Trump investigation has been one of aggressive hostility, with a unrelenting presumption of guilt, even though there is to this day no specified crime that is directly associated with the original mandate of the investigation. It has been a scorched Earth style investigation.

    Those being targeted - apparently because Mueller and his crew are trying to pressure them to implicate Trump - have been subject to midnight raids, and forced testimony under oath. ALL of the charges up to this point have been for process crimes or activities totally unrelated to the election or Donald Trump, except for the indictments of 13 Russians for posts made on Facebook, which it appears now were just a scam by Mueller which he is not actually prepared to prosecute.

    Kid-gloves vs Scorched-Earth. That is the double standard that the DOJ and FBI has brazenly deployed in these two investigations. Only someone who is truly unfamiliar with these matters, or who is a deeply dishonest and untrustworthy person will try to make the case otherwise.

    We cannot allow this to continue. There must be one standard of justice for everyone in this country, regardless of a person's politics, skin color, religion or gender.
     
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  2. R0ckets03

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    Yay more Hillary!
     
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    This is only relevant if they were exchanging classified information via private email like Hillary was doing which should have landed her in prison....but I'm sure everyone knows that by now.
     
  5. NewRoxFan

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    OK, lets investigate...



     
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  6. Amiga

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    There wouldn't be a special counsel investigation if Trump didn't obstruct the FBI investigation Flynn.

    There would be a special counsel if Obama or the DOJ tried to obstruct the FBI investigation into Clinton's email.

    Since the special counsel investigation, we have seen that Trump and his team publicly try to obstruct (likely much more privately). This further show that a special independent counsel is exactly needed instead of the standard FBI investigations.
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    There's no evidence that he did.

    There's evidence that his administration did do just that, but no special counsel. Between pressuring the FBI director to use politically friendly inaccurate language to describe the investigation as a "matter" instead of an investigation to the hush hush meeting between the Attorney General and the husband of the person being investigated and not to mention how that investigation was led by agents clearly biased in her favor which led to no charges despite finding concrete evidence of crimes. Also consider how magically 5 months worth of text messages from those involved with both the Clinton case and Trump investigation....people that we know to be deeply biased, went missing. There's arguably more reason to investigate that than there is to investigate "Russian collusion" or whatever it's being rebranded as today.

    Of course, I don't expect you to be able to see that.
     
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    HRC? Is this on tape delay?
     
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    Lynch? The AG who had to recuse herself from the Clinton investigation because she had a private conversation with Bill Clinton on a tarmac? Yes, I'm sure we can trust her statements. After all, all she and Bill talked about was golf and grandchildren. :rolleyes:

    You do realize that Strzok was criticized in the IG report for being the one who held back in SEPTEMBER the knowledge of the email's on Weiner's laptop right? If he hadn't been such a Clinton cheerleader, they could have cleared all this up in September and perhaps Comey never issues his October statement about the emails on Weiner's laptop.
     
  10. CometsWin

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    Oh Jesus... lol
     
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    The “didn’t vote but would take a bullet for” Trump crowd is really fired up lately.
     
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    So the scorched gloves are black and the kid gloves are white?
     
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    Have we figured what hat they were wearing?
     
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    Let's not forget that GW Bush started the disastrous Iraq war. How rotten was that?
     
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    The potential HRC crimes we're talking about here is the unauthorized and inappropriate conduct of email communications. The potential Trump crimes we're talking about here is conspiring with foreign hostile powers to trade preferential foreign policy choices for help from foreigners to win the election. The difference in severity between these allegations cannot be more stark. Meanwhile, HRC had been initially not very cooperative, but stayed arguably within the law in her response and ultimately was forthcoming with her server and with testimony in a brokered agreement. Meanwhile, Trump has not been cooperative at all, has attacked the legitimacy of the inquiry, and obstructed investigations. Why should we expect investigators' conduct to be at all similar in how they investigate these two cases?
     
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    No...... do not deviate from his narrative. He has cobbled together all the pieces carefully together. Just let him have it, he needs it.
     
  17. MojoMan

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    Peter Strzok? Is that you?
     
  18. JuanValdez

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    Yup, it's me, Petey. Now can you tell me why you'd expect these two cases to be handled at all in the same manner given how different they are?
     
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    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-deep-and-visceral-hatred-the-timeline

    Kid gloves, folks.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    You're kidding, right? That's right, you listen to RWNJs, you're probably not kidding and don't even realize how profoundly misled you've been.

    Given that there hadn't even been (nor has there ever been) so much as a single indictment related to the investigation, under-oath testimony wasn't warranted.

    "Co-conspirators?" Your delusions are truly hilarious!

    How many investigations of Hillary were there? How many different bodies investigated her?

    You do realize that if there was anything that could be successfully prosecuted against her, the current AG would have brought a case by now, right? Or do you believe that Sessions is part of the deep state conspiracy protecting Clinton?

    His mandate was to investigate Russian interference in the 2016 election. He has asked Trump to testify under oath because so many of the people involved in his campaign have been indicted and one is even in jail now because of his misdeeds.

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/967231/download

    There have been many charges levied against many people as well as corporate entities involved in Russian interference in the 2016 election.

    People under investigation for crimes are often the target of "midnight raids" to make sure they don't have the opportunity to destroy evidence relevant to the investigation.

    You're the dishonest person here, taking two completely different scenarios (mishandling of email versus foreign interference in an American election) and claiming that the differences are partisan as opposed to the result of the behavior of those involved and the seriousness of the crimes being investigated.

    You're right, we can't allow people like you to continue to call for the Mueller investigation to be called off merely because your devotion to right wing propaganda has left you butt-hurt that Trump's team is actually having to account for their transgressions when you think they should get off scott free.
     

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