[Non ESPN]Harden has his flaws because of this system

Lol i really dont understand how anyone can say this given that we were playing the Warriors, we beat ANY OTHER TEAM. Dantoni has gotten major bad breaks in the post season in his career. I fully disagree that his system doesnt work in the post season, we made it to game 7 against the warriors, cmon man.

 

I said that system of ISOball worked and allowed us to win 65 games... What didnt work was running a 6-7 man rotation for the playoffs!! That killed us...for a game 6 and 7. We needed 15-20 minutes of solid bench work from atleast 3 dudes...something we did not get consistently throughout the postseason.

 

Mid range easier to make with tired legs,not saying we shouldn't take 3's just less of them. Also your 3pt shooting percentage for average shooters will go down even further in the playoffs when facing tougher teams and better game plans.

 

We didnt really have a 6-7 man rotation through out the playoffs, it was just when we hit the warriors. I mean what did you want him to do. Really, play Anderson we saw how that worked out? I admit he should have played Luc more but he was not healthy and completely lost his confidence. We had what we had. Idk, Morey did his best with what he had to work with. Things just worked out that way.

Mid rangers would not have won us that game last night or game 6.

 

Who is shooting these midrange shots? Other than Chris Paul, who didn't play, who's a good midrange shooter on our team? Paul shoots almost 50% from midrange, nobody else is close.

Other than Last night's historically bad shooting night, when have we ever shot so poorly that it made more sense to shoot midrange?


Whatever you shoot from the 3 pt line, you have to shoot 150% of that to be more efficient from midrange.

We shot 33.7% from the arc in the playoffs. That's equivalent to 50% from midrange. There's like 4 or 5 guys in the entire league that shoot 50% from midrange. There's a reason that every team in the league has greatly increased their three point attempts. It's not because everyone has great shooters. It's just simple math, the 3 ball counts one and a half times the points of a midrange. Sure you won't shoot as well from 3pt land but you don't have to.

Of the 16 teams in this years playoffs, only 1 team has shot under 33% from behind the arc. That team was the Spurs and they shot right at 30% from the arc. As bad as that is it still equates to 45% midrange which is better than any team shoots.


The numbers don't add up. You don't think that midrange percentages go down when guys are tired?


Yes we had an incredibly bad shooting night last night. Back when teams didn't shoot many 3s, there were times when teams also shot terribly. There's games where teams don't finish at the rim. That doesn't mean that isn't an incredibly efficient shot, it just means that you had a bad night.

When Chris Paul got hurt our odds of winning went way down. If Curry or Durant had not played in games 6 and 7 then GS likely loses. That's just the state of the NBA, if you're star doesn't play then your chances go way down.

 

Some how. . .i think Adelman has as many championships as D'Antoni. . . but I could be wrong

Rocket River

 

I see a lot of people saying things like "D'Antoni's system doesn't work in the playoffs and caused us to lose", "we should have shot more midrange shots", "we should have drove in more and not just jack up 3s". blah blah

They never mention anything about the skillset of the available players on the roster once CP went out. We were down to only 2 players capable of creating their own shots. I know you all saw how Ariza, Tucker, MBate, Green , Anderson looked when they pump faked a 3 and attempted to drive and finish the play... Not good at all. Capela is not a C who can post up and attack (even is he does he can't make FTs after being fouled). Anderson and NeNe were exposed in the few minutes they tried to play. So, what does that leave us with to turn to? Versus one of the best teams (on offense and defense) ever assembled. Once CP went out that was it. I don't care about having a lead in the first half and all of that. We were playing G St over there, 15 pts is nothing for them to make up in a quarter, let alone a half.

We need one more capable player to solidify the roster for next year. I hope Morey can get a near all star F. Ariza and Tuck should be bench players now.

 

Here's the midrange percentages for our main scorer's in this year's playoffs.

Gordon 26.7%

Paul 48%

Harden 32%

Green 33%

It seems that you believe that we are significantly better midrange shooters than we really are.

For all 4 of those guys, they were much more efficient from behind the arc than they were from midrange.

 

Did we just forget and or turn off the TV when Dantoni went with the 8th/9th man on the roster? Luc missed a bunch of open layups and Ryno was a big Zero.

 

Yesterday was a tough loss, so it's understandable why people are looking to blame Harden or D'Antoni. But every crappy argument about the Rockets needing to shoot more 2s has been debated a thousand times and contributes nothing. If anyone actually cares about strategy instead of just venting, there are real questions about the tradeoffs the Rockets had to make:

Is there any way to keep Ryno's offense in the game against a team that forces to defend Steph Curry 1v1 on the perimeter?

How can you get non-allstar role players 2pt shots they can make on legs tired from having to run around guarding 3 all-star 3pt shooters around constant illegal screens?

If Harden aims for pull-up 15 footers, will he be less tired than for pull-up 3pters, and will he make more than 50% more shots?

When he tries for those 15 footers will he still have good angles to dish to 3pt shooters and will our role players be in position to get back on defense or get rebounds if he misses?

etc.

 

Agreed, and I'm not advocating resting on our laurels. I'm just saying, the end of season stings but I don't think it's an indictment on the season, brand of basketball, or even the players. That being said, it'd be tough to advocate merely resigning all our free agents and calling it a day. Like all seasons, I think Houston, like always, will be opportunistic, do creative things to acquire more talent when and if possible. However, if they strike out on Lebron, PG, or whoever else, I don't think it would be the end of the world if Houston's changes were closer hitting singles than home runs. A few more vets off the bench, a couple who soak up minutes in the regular season to keep the main guys fresh, and maybe one or two that is rotation worthy in the playoffs, that could conceivably be enough.

 

They were equally bad, I dun even want to know our 3 pt percentage in the last 2-3 games.

 

Kinda hard to argue when the COACH says we ran out of gas. The guys who did play massive minutes had NOTHING

 

The only thing that proves is Luc/Ryno/IsoJoe didn't contribute anything. They're supposed to be the guys that gives our starters rest but when you contribute nothing, are a defensive liability/doesn't shoot, or miss layup after layup he has no choice but to keep the same 6-7 people on the floor or we're going to get murdered.

GSW had the luxury of being able to score points and get back in the ball game while Thompson was on the bench. We had to keep all our key players on the floor as long as possible to just maintain a lead or keep it "competitive".

 

no, but i also don't think he would miss 22 threes in a row. would you have bet on it before the fact? no

 

Team Ball.. They won game 2 because they played as a team.. moved the ball around for the easy shot..

They could have beat GS in Oakland and at home, too much 1 on 1 iso not getting everyone involved.

T_Man

 

What's the problem?

Ha.

The problem is your 2nd best player was out with another injury, one of your important chain links broke his shoulder twice, 20 million dollars went to a hole in the ground and despite all that when we still went toe to toe with the champs, missing damn near everything along the way....the refs decided to be 100% in favor of the Warriors for game 7.

That about wrap it up for you?