What makes Steve Francis better than Cuttino Mobley?

Another difference between Cat and Steve this year is how they handle double teams. Steve will try to run around or away from the double team and Cat will try to split the double team before it can take effect. I remember Mad Max doing that 10 years ago on a consistent basis as well.

 

Well Steve is a star! He is rarely left open..

And he's the point guard..and in our offense..we like waste away most of the clock trying to set up...

I think every player should be capable of making a shot consistently if they are open...but Steve forces fancy shots...

 

Zone defense?

Of course SF has a hard time to deal with it if he wants to do ISO move to break the zone every time.

One problem for SF is that his team mates could not score a basket. In some games, he did a pretty good job in distributing the ball but the wide open men just could not score a basket.

 

What I dont get is why more people don't understand that. Steve has the ability to put together a string of 30-40 point games and boost his stats, he may very well do that too. It is true that in JVG's system Steve has looked pretty bad, and Cat has looked sweet. But some people just adjust to change faster. And the biggest change was in Steves game. Cat has pretty much the same role. Get open and hit the shot. Break it down once in a while, and play D.

Steve on the other hand has to run the whole thing with the post in mind a lot more. And he has to watch for the pick and rolls all the time. I guess thats what a point is and all, but eh I dunno, I guess more time will do the trick

 

I really hope that is the case. But watching his learning curve is painful night in night out. Even I have followed Francis for so long, I still feel the same way. If you watched the game last night, you saw the passes and the decision he made in addition to the slow motion of bringing the ball up, your eyes suddenly open wide when you saw how Wilks brought up the ball and passed to the open man.

Man, there were still a lot of timefor the teammate to do something each time up field. But for Francis, very often his teammate did not have much time left. And to me that is one of the reason why his teammates threw up bricks after bricks when Francis was on the court (e.g. note the volume of dribbling in the second and third quarters, which looked contagious to everybody on the court).

When Wilks was there in the fourth quarter, the same teammates were hitting 6 shots in a roll. All four of them scored. But when Francis came back, there were turnover after turnover and missed shots. How could you explain that?

 

So the answer to that question is : nothing. So when's the trade SF thread get a sticky?

Not a big SF fan myself either.

 

i cant wait for that thread my self. I can just see it.

Sticky: Just In Steve Francis traded!

 

best post in this thread right here. I thought I was the only one that understood perceived value and players to beat zones must have smarts,passing,shooting,fundamentals which Steve lacks and will never have.

 

I cant agree on that many opinions here.. I think Cat is having a better season and SF has been struggling as of late but SF has more responsibilites and is the focus of the opposing teams DEF (along w/ Yao). When the other team is focusing on you and double teaming you it makes it easier for your teammates. I think Cat is the beneficiary to all the attention SF/ Yao have been getting. SF has much more potential and once he gets his shooting touch back watch out. SF does make some stupid mistakes true there was a stretch of games this year where he got called for travelling like once every game drove me nuts. Slowly but surely he is recognizing areas to improve and he will come around. Im also under the impression SF has the ability to dominate a game by himself hes been struggling as of late but Cat doesnt seem to have that. He is set up alot by the attention his teammates get but who knows for sure or how to measure that.

I would like to keep both of them till the end of the season and then look back and judge how everyone has done.

J

 

said before many times
mobley is better because of his contract no matter what

there is no reason we should keep francis around and have to deal with his contract the way he's playing/going to play. for that value, we could upgrade the team all over

 

Neither Francis nor Mobley are particularely good ball handlers, but Steve has a dynamite crossover, largely thanks to his fakes.

Mobley's a better defender, and works harder at it, and has the tools to be an excellent scoring guard, but I'm not sure if he has the mindset. One thing you can say about Steve is that he's absolutely fearless attacking the basket. I've noticed that sometimes Cat shies away from contact around the bucket (though to be fair, he doesn't get as many calls as Steve).

Cat has shown that he can be a decent playmaker, but two often he throws wild passes, particularely when he drives baseline.

Cat's shot selection has improved dramatically this year.

I wouldn't trade either without getting at least near-equal value + intangibles

 

you just cant look at fg%. I mean are you willling to say Mobley is a bigger offensive force than Allen Iverson??

 

Even with Cat's occational bone-headed plays, I'd rather keep Cat than Steve.

 

You guys are not giving Steve enough credit. He generally gives us 20 points every game, plus 5 assists and a good amount of rebounds. Cat is not in the same league. Teams don't game plan for Cat like they do for Steve. Steve is struggling this year but he is really a 20 point scorer.

If we trade Steve for a bunch of scrubs and leave ourselves with Cat as our #2 option behind Yao then we are going to be in for a world of pain. With Steve and Yao, Cat is expendable, but Steve is not.

I am not against trading Steve, provided we get someone like a T-Mac- someone who can create shots for himself and teammates.

 

Why do people feel the need to keep comparing Francis to Mobley? One's a PG, the others a 2-guard and they're both on the same team, so why bother?

 

you bash Steve Francis? Nahhhh....

 

Because alot of people believe that Stevie should be a 2 guard because he sucks at being a traditional PG.